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Title: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 25, 2014, 08:32:18 PM
today sees the launch of a scathing attack on the ITV show "The Rise of the E-cigarette" by contradictory vendor topjuice.

in his blog, presentad as a 'review', the turncoat vendor who incidentally wasn't approached to appear or advertise his wares in the show, published criticism of virtually every aspect.
similar examples are available in video presentations where we can view very critical analysis of items outside his own inventory of stocked product.

needless to say, the vendor who formally sought unsuccessfully to commandeer charge of the consumer association, is quite enraged with the main of, if not the full ITV show and despite the fact that many uninfluenced others found balance. perhaps we can see an altogether different edge when there is no lucrative incentive to viewing such show.

turncoats blag (http://mattgluggles.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/a-review-of-rise-of-e-cigarette.html?spref=tw)
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 25, 2014, 08:53:31 PM
an excerpt from the blog reveals:

"Every single ITV news broadcast throughout the day carried a headline.
"World Health Organisation warnings over e-cigarette toxins"

Each news show carried a clip of Glenn Thomas, of the World Health Organisation, declaring that e-cigarette users inhaled dangerous toxins.

Not one single news item asked him for any evidence to justify this claim"

i will personally answer that rather troubling but wholly accurate assertion by pointing to the recent claim by the very same critics trusty friend K Farsalinos, who does meanwhile confirm the presence of dangerous to inhale substances which are intended to be kept under wraps as "funding requests" dictate.

so ITV are in something of the way of agreement with publications pertaining to 'unknowns' and 'potential for harm' derived from e-liquids even without the bounty set by the 'Good Doctor'
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 25, 2014, 09:07:58 PM
another excerpt:

"Using a 4 year old e-cig model that is no longer on sale, they managed to get the basic components wrong, and with information like this going out on television, it is no wonder the public are misinformed about electronic cigarettes."

granted the model was presented with quite a slip in the labels attributed to the component parts, but, "a 4 year old e-cig model that is no longer on sale" ?

where a UK vendor would produce a vicious blog today including such assertion, contrary to the fact that a member from this very forum could and did buy that same e-cig only last week, and from a prominent and very generally available UK source, it becomes true, it is no wonder the public are misinformed about electronic cigarettes
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: sando_m1 on January 27, 2014, 03:50:35 AM
The biggest problem I had with the program was the guy from WHO saying 'people should stop using e-cigs until we know what the effects are' (or words to that effect).

 So, the overwhelming majority of users will be smokers who can't quit smoking, yes? In effect then, he is advising smokers to carry on using cigarettes, which we already know carry a major health risk, and we also know they contain thousands of toxic chemicals, a proportion of which are known carcinogens, instead of switching to a less harmful alternative? Even If ecigs only offered a 20-30% reduction in the risk of you developing a major health problem, then it still has to be beneficial in the long term to make the switch.

I made the switch 5 months ago and haven't touched a tobacco cigarette since. My breathing has improved to where I can inhale a lung-full of air without tightness in my chest. My sense of taste has returned. My skin looks healthier. I feel so much better all-round. I have also saved a fair bit of money even though I've spent a couple of hundred on vaping gear. So WHO the fk are you to tell me to stop?
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 27, 2014, 09:41:34 AM
The biggest problem I had with the program was the guy from WHO saying 'people should stop using e-cigs until we know what the effects are' (or words to that effect).

i'm not sure they the World Health Organisation did ask us to stop.

in short what he did clearly say was:

"the science behind e-cigarettes is not as yet demonstrated" - "we need more research on impact toward health" - "the toxins consumed have not been adequately researched."

those sentiments don't to me at least, add up to them asking me to smoke traditional cigarettes any more than when the same or very similar language can be heard coming out from those inside the industry.
where near same language is spouted just weeks earlier as grounds to encourage 'donations', it becomes clear that all sides of the divide believe problems do exist.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Fergus Mason on January 27, 2014, 10:51:27 PM
The "turncoat sellout" here is you. In all the time I've been aware of your online existence you've done nothing but snipe at e-cigs, giving a steady supply of ammunition to the people who want them banned. You're a disgrace, and I'm saddened to see yet another forum give you a platform for your petty, malevolent spite.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 27, 2014, 10:59:42 PM
apologies for upsetting you yet again Ferg, but i do have freedom to reply to the blog as substantiated with the detailed replies, i did previously have plenty respect for the guy, but as you well know the ITV show did offer lifesaving information beyond the confines of any general days events and i found it ironic that this Vendor should again shift his possition to condemn every aspect of it. its almost as bad as his recently supporting TVECA members after they sold the likes of you and i out - allegedly ;)
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: ukric on January 27, 2014, 11:03:09 PM
Oh dear. The community fruit loop has arrived.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Fergus Mason on January 27, 2014, 11:03:41 PM
Oh, look who jumps to the Ged-i's defence. What a surprise.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: ukric on January 27, 2014, 11:04:53 PM
Oh, look who jumps to the Ged-i's defence. What a surprise.

Nothing to do with Ged at all.  I'd just like to welcome you to the forum..... ugh.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Fergus Mason on January 27, 2014, 11:06:28 PM
the ITV show did offer lifesaving information

What "lifesaving information" was that then? "Oooh, don't smoke them e-cig things, they're full of oil. My husband smoked one and he DIED!!!"

Choi's programme was a travesty. I'm sure you did like it, given your generally negative attitude to all but the most elitist subset of vaping, but could you maybe just give the internet a break from your childish snivelling?
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Jordan on January 27, 2014, 11:07:01 PM
Always nice to see new members to the forum, shame that in this instance it was an account created for the sole reason to insult someone expressing their opinion on a publicly available blog.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Fergus Mason on January 27, 2014, 11:07:35 PM
Nothing to do with Ged at all. 

Sure you're not. You're always there when he needs support on UKV, too. You're practically joined at the rectum.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 27, 2014, 11:07:47 PM
What "lifesaving information" was that then? "Oooh, don't smoke them e-cig things, they're full of oil. My husband smoked one and he DIED!!!"

with several expressing how the show as televised, has led them to vaping, i'd say the evidence is self explanatory ;)
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Fergus Mason on January 27, 2014, 11:08:38 PM
Always nice to see new members to the forum, shame that in this instance it was an account created for the sole reason to insult someone expressing their opinion on a publicly available blog.

Kind of pales into insignificance beside the way the Poison Dwarf slandered Matt Gluggles, doesn't it?
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: funkybunch on January 27, 2014, 11:10:01 PM
the ITV show did offer lifesaving information

What "lifesaving information" was that then? "Oooh, don't smoke them e-cig things, they're full of oil. My husband smoked one and he DIED!!!"

Choi's programme was a travesty. I'm sure you did like it, given your generally negative attitude to all but the most elitist subset of vaping, but could you maybe just give the internet a break from your childish snivelling?


Welcome to the forum Fergus, I would dial it back a notch :horse, try to ease into this place, no need for  :slap



I thought the program was reasonable TBH, a view shared by many
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: ukric on January 27, 2014, 11:10:17 PM
Nothing to do with Ged at all. 

Sure you're not. You're always there when he needs support on UKV, too. You're practically joined at the rectum.

I see, homophobia, excellent start to your time here, which I hope will be short.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 27, 2014, 11:10:20 PM
Sure you're not. You're always there when he needs support on UKV, too. You're practically joined at the rectum.

no need for unfounded allegations - shame you cannot keep to forum etiquette - i'd suggest you read the rules and abide by them.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Tippercow on January 27, 2014, 11:11:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux02-aIvlLA  ;D
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Jordan on January 27, 2014, 11:11:48 PM
the ITV show did offer lifesaving information

What "lifesaving information" was that then? "Oooh, don't smoke them e-cig things, they're full of oil. My husband smoked one and he DIED!!!"

Choi's programme was a travesty. I'm sure you did like it, given your generally negative attitude to all but the most elitist subset of vaping, but could you maybe just give the internet a break from your childish snivelling?

Think this thread proves that the ITV show was successful http://ukvapers.org/Thread-Hi-new-vaper-from-East-Sussex this is just one person that has decided to make a thread about the show getting them to make the switch to e-cigs, how many other people have made the same move but not posted about it?
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Jordan on January 27, 2014, 11:14:50 PM
Always nice to see new members to the forum, shame that in this instance it was an account created for the sole reason to insult someone expressing their opinion on a publicly available blog.

Kind of pales into insignificance beside the way the Poison Dwarf slandered Matt Gluggles, doesn't it?

Theres a big difference in taking a blog and giving your opinion on it (whether it's a negative opinion or not) and creating an account on the forum with your first post being a tirade of abuse.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Fergus Mason on January 27, 2014, 11:15:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux02-aIvlLA  ;D

Quite liked that when I was younger. More into German industrial metal now.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 27, 2014, 11:15:24 PM
Think this thread proves that the ITV show was successful http://ukvapers.org/Thread-Hi-new-vaper-from-East-Sussex this is just one person that has decided to make a thread about the show getting them to make the switch to e-cigs, how many other people have made the same move but not posted about it?

+1 - and there are many more examples too.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Fergus Mason on January 27, 2014, 11:18:12 PM
Theres a big difference in taking a blog and giving your opinion on it (whether it's a negative opinion or not) and creating an account on the forum with your first post being a tirade of abuse.

Well, as his thread title includes the phrase "turncoat sellout" I'd say it scores quite highly on the abuse-o-meter. As for my own post it wasn't a tirade of abuse at all. It was a robust criticism of his reputation for negativity and spreading divisiveness. Had I wanted to deliver a tirade of abuse I'd have concentrated more on what female vapers say about his, er, social skills.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: ukric on January 27, 2014, 11:19:29 PM
So homophobe. Come on, justify your comment.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 27, 2014, 11:21:33 PM
Well, as his thread title includes the phrase "turncoat sellout" I'd say it scores quite highly on the abuse-o-meter.

look Ferg, you can support him, nothing in my post prevents that - i'm quite astounded that you feel differently, particularly as the TVECA move of recent days and the unlikely support it amassed.

but hey, i'm not here to hold your hand nor adjust your opinion - and you sure as hell aint going to alter mine.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Fergus Mason on January 27, 2014, 11:22:14 PM
So homophobe. Come on, justify your comment.

Quite a lot of my friends would be amused to see me being called that. Anyway, what justification do you need beyond the fact that any time Yoda gets criticised you leap in milliseconds later to defend his honour.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Jordan on January 27, 2014, 11:22:49 PM
Theres a big difference in taking a blog and giving your opinion on it (whether it's a negative opinion or not) and creating an account on the forum with your first post being a tirade of abuse.

Well, as his thread title includes the phrase "turncoat sellout" I'd say it scores quite highly on the abuse-o-meter. As for my own post it wasn't a tirade of abuse at all. It was a robust criticism of his reputation for negativity and spreading divisiveness. Had I wanted to deliver a tirade of abuse I'd have concentrated more on what female vapers say about his, er, social skills.

A robust criticism based on your perceived view that he has a reputation for negativity. Just because someone looks at the facts objectively instead of being the WSPU of the vaping world doesn't make them negative, it makes them realistic....make of that what you will, call me a puppet, a plant, etc etc we have heard it all before Fergus and it gets old fast
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: ukric on January 27, 2014, 11:23:13 PM
Nope, you using that phrasing shows your colours, you are a vile, vicious, homophobe. And I don't care what ANY of your friends would think about anything.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Fergus Mason on January 27, 2014, 11:24:46 PM
but hey, i'm not here to hold your hand nor adjust your opinion - and you sure as hell aint going to alter mine.

About your opinion care less could I not. What hacks me off is the way you splatter the internet with constant insinuations of health risks, attacks on the e-cig industry and attempts to disrupt any positive action. Reading a forum that you post in is like being bukkake'd with stupid.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Fergus Mason on January 27, 2014, 11:26:19 PM
A robust criticism based on your perceived view that he has a reputation for negativity. Just because someone looks at the facts objectively instead of being the WSPU of the vaping world doesn't make them negative, it makes them realistic....make of that what you will, call me a puppet, a plant, etc etc we have heard it all before Fergus and it gets old fast

He DOES have a reputation for negativity. That's not really open to denial. As for objective, no, he's relentlessly hostile to the idea of vaping as a mass market activity.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 27, 2014, 11:28:44 PM
About your opinion care less could I not. What hacks me off is the way you splatter the internet with constant insinuations of health risks, attacks on the e-cig industry and attempts to disrupt any positive action. Reading a forum that you post in is like being bukkake'd with stupid.

you have quite the misconceived idea of me and my ideals - i object to the principles that mislead by 40 fags per cartridge, i object to trade organisations that will sell us down the river as soon as the price fits - i worry when vendors rubbish their competition in underhand way -  if you think i have no right to object, then so be it, but on the day when 10ml bottles of e-liquid are our only hope, remember the friends you allied with to make it happen.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 27, 2014, 11:30:01 PM
He DOES have a reputation for negativity. That's not really open to denial. As for objective, no, he's relentlessly hostile to the idea of vaping as a mass market activity.

please, dont let me part you from your ignorance :camp
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Fergus Mason on January 27, 2014, 11:31:10 PM
you have quite the misconceived idea of me and my ideals - i object to the principles that mislead by 40 fags per cartridge, i object to trade organisations that will sell us down the river as soon as the price fits - i worry when vendors rubbish their competition in underhand way -  if you think i have no right to object, then so be it, but on the day when 10ml bottles of e-liquid are our only hope, remember the friends you allied with to make it happen.

You, on the other hand, have done jack **** to support vaping. Whenever someone tried to organise action you nitpicked, criticised and disrupted. Whenever some talking head started on about health risks you said "Well, they have a point." You want it to be restricted to an elitist pastime for socially inept losers. Sorry Yoda, your type are the minority now.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: funkybunch on January 27, 2014, 11:32:13 PM
but hey, i'm not here to hold your hand nor adjust your opinion - and you sure as hell aint going to alter mine.

About your opinion care less could I not. What hacks me off is the way you splatter the internet with constant insinuations of health risks, attacks on the e-cig industry and attempts to disrupt any positive action. Reading a forum that you post in is like being bukkake'd with stupid.



I found that I very quickly stopped bothering to try to discuss anything with you, very little point. If I am honest I feel the same way that you suggest here, about the vast majority of your posts
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Jordan on January 27, 2014, 11:32:42 PM
but hey, i'm not here to hold your hand nor adjust your opinion - and you sure as hell aint going to alter mine.

About your opinion care less could I not. What hacks me off is the way you splatter the internet with constant insinuations of health risks, attacks on the e-cig industry and attempts to disrupt any positive action. Reading a forum that you post in is like being bukkake'd with stupid.


I found that I very quickly stopped bothering to try to discuss anything with you, very little point. If I am honest I feel the same way that you suggest here, about the vast majority of your posts

+1
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Daddy Cool on January 27, 2014, 11:34:05 PM
BLIMEY !!!
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 27, 2014, 11:35:31 PM
You, on the other hand, have done jack **** to support vaping.

again, ignorant beyond belief :dance

anyway, i must just add my thanks to you for highlighting this thread for me :))
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 27, 2014, 11:36:10 PM
why they ban you from UKV Fergus ?
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Jordan on January 27, 2014, 11:36:17 PM
A robust criticism based on your perceived view that he has a reputation for negativity. Just because someone looks at the facts objectively instead of being the WSPU of the vaping world doesn't make them negative, it makes them realistic....make of that what you will, call me a puppet, a plant, etc etc we have heard it all before Fergus and it gets old fast

He DOES have a reputation for negativity. That's not really open to denial. As for objective, no, he's relentlessly hostile to the idea of vaping as a mass market activity.

Remind me again why you were banned from UKV?
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: sando_m1 on January 28, 2014, 01:38:57 AM
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i'm not sure they the World Health Organisation did ask us to stop.

...going back to my post regarding what the guy from WHO said. My mistake, he personally didn't say those words, but immediately prior to him coming on screen, Chris Choi says 'Now, the world health organization says we should not use them until we know more about their safety'. So, this will give the viewing public the impression that the WHO does in fact endorse this. They either do think this, or Mr Choi is misleading us to think that they do. Either way, it is wrong to force people to carry on doing something that is known to cause serious health problems than switch to something that 'may' have a similar effect. Just saying!
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 28, 2014, 01:53:49 AM
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i'm not sure they the World Health Organisation did ask us to stop.

...going back to my post regarding what the guy from WHO said. My mistake, he personally didn't say those words, but immediately prior to him coming on screen, Chris Choi says 'Now, the world health organization says we should not use them until we know more about their safety'. So, this will give the viewing public the impression that the WHO does in fact endorse this. They either do think this, or Mr Choi is misleading us to think that they do. Either way, it is wrong to force people to carry on doing something that is known to cause serious health problems than switch to something that 'may' have a similar effect. Just saying!

no one is forced to reconvene their former smoking habit - there are alternatives above cigarettes, and beyond e-cigarettes - i have no reason to believe we weren't being advised to use those instead.

i don't know if you are aware of other additional alternatives, and i would say my one is ultimately less satisfying than vaping, but readily available to buy and use, i would advice anyone to choose the next safer option than combustible tobacco, if ever they felt somehow forced to smoke.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: kondor101 on January 28, 2014, 02:06:34 AM
WHO would ban tobacco outright and any thoughts that they want you to go back to cigs is wrong.  The problem is they have, recently within the last ten years, started to win their battle in making cigarettes illegal, slowly but surely.   But when ecigs came on the scene they saw it as a possible threat down the road, another way for people to get addicted to nicotine and as such they have taken the attitude of ban them before we know how bad they are. 

You must remember that WHO are in a constant battle with big tobacco, at the moment they are more concerned with stopping the sale of cigs to children in Africa, something that big tobacco is fighting hard to keep. 

Needless to say,WHO hate big tobacco and will not be truly happy until the last gram of nicotine and tobacco plant has been eradicated off the face of the planet.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Daddy Cool on January 28, 2014, 02:14:19 AM
What are you lot still doing up ?  :P
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 28, 2014, 02:17:57 AM
we're always up ;D - we all have an alarm clock, USB'd to the forums ;D
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: sando_m1 on January 28, 2014, 02:22:34 AM
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no one is forced to reconvene their former smoking habit - there are alternatives above cigarettes, and beyond e-cigarettes - i have no reason to believe we weren't being advised to use those instead.

I'm not talking about someone who is 'forced to reconvene their former smoking habit' I'm talking about someone who currently has a smoking habit and has tried and failed to quit using NRT or Champix as I have myself. If I hadn't started vaping I would still smoke. Fact! I think 35 yrs of smoking and seven previous failed attempts using the aforementioned cessation aids qualifies my statement.
I'm sure there are more like me who will successfully make the switch. I'm also sure there are others who won't even try because of Choi's comment and what it implied. If even one person decides against switching to vaping because of what he said then that would be a tragedy.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 28, 2014, 02:31:18 AM
i hear what you're saying and understand where you are coming from, but, the fact that people have now entered vaping as direct result of that program, does tend to qualify the fact that the program including any language open to misconception from vapers, did indeed bring people into the fold.

i haven't personally used those NRTs and neither would i ever need too no matter what the media, or indeed vendors or vapers might have us believe - if i ever had a wouldbe smoker enquire about vaping, but felt 'forced' to smoke by rhetoric outside the facts, i'd amply recommend a device such as my iolite or an equivalent, as the benefit is far greater than smoking and dispels any myth that smoking combustible tobacco is forced as the only viable option.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: kondor101 on January 28, 2014, 02:37:48 AM
All I know is that the local Ecig shop was packed the next day.

But something confuses me about a vendor that did not like it posting about it.  You see, for those who missed the program I am sure they will be rushing to see it before buying from said vendor now that he has highlighted it.  So lets hope they like what they see or else it could be a mistake driving potential customers to seek it out.

I liked the program, and it left me feeling happy that I vape.  Watched The wright stuff this morning and the general conscientious about ecigs is still that smoking is worse.


Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Daddy Cool on January 28, 2014, 02:40:36 AM
Positives and negatives aside , this program should be seen as a stepping stone in getting vaping out of the closet and into the mainstream. Thats exactly what it's done and can only be a good thing . I personally know of a handful of people who are now interested in vaping due to ITV .  Folk will see through all that bollocks about the oil death .
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 28, 2014, 02:46:40 AM
Positives and negatives aside , this program should be seen as a stepping stone in getting vaping out of the closet and into the mainstream. Thats exactly what it's done and can only be a good thing . I personally know of a handful of people who are now interested in vaping due to ITV .  Folk will see through all that bollocks about the oil death .

+1

and just to add, the oil theory of years back, did encourage us to frequently watch out for, and warn against, oil based liquids to newcomers as they arrived and years passed by.

if inclusion of the oil report, can discourage any wouldbe home mixer from naively using oil in their mix, then it has a positive outcome far beyond the possible outcome additional incident might cause to vaping, and vapers.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Daddy Cool on January 28, 2014, 02:54:08 AM
Yep so depending on how cynically we lean the oil issue could actually be viewed as a positive and a great service done by ITV to existing and would be vapers alike . It's easy to kick the **** out of everything when your angry .
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Tippercow on January 28, 2014, 03:34:55 AM
Oil as in oil based food flavourings?
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 28, 2014, 03:54:23 AM
Yes - lorann oils, being prime example of how things can become unintentionally confusing and where complacency might bring adversity - their pedigree began long prior to the e-cigarette which they subsequently became commonly used in harmony with. so although a fantastic choice to flavour e-liquid, just by very virtue of their original name, the pointers become potentially misleading and simply by coincidence.

They produce both oil and none oil suspended flavours and so opens potential for misadventure and issue. preventable as those issues might be, there'll always be folk who mix their own fluid to vape with no need to be ignorant to harm which might become. seems sensible to allow useful pre-emptive advice and information to flow, as we can ultimately avoid troublesome oil based stuffs and limit the chance of incident or injury.

supermarkets too sell various 'food safe' flavourings, both PG or alcohol based, but they often also offer those suspended in or inclusive of oils.
always seek the ones devoid of oil in their ingredients list as those are unsuitable to consume via the lungs.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: justin case on January 28, 2014, 08:57:54 AM
oooh lovely buns, lovely buns, great thread, keep it going    :slap
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: squid on January 29, 2014, 09:18:42 PM
yoda tut lol
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 29, 2014, 09:45:08 PM
 :P - just 66cm tall Yoda is one of the most renowned and powerful Ged-i masters in galactic history. known for legendary wisdom, mastery of the force and skills in light saving combat.

Yoda served as a member of the Ged-i high council in the last centuries of the galactic republic and as grand master, oversaw the Ged-i order before, during and after the devastating clone wars.

in centuries of service to the galaxy and the force, grand master Yoda had a hand in the training of nearly all the Ged-i in the order, including many luminaries all of whom would come to serve on the Ged-i council along with him.

quite the accolade :P
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Gluggler on January 30, 2014, 12:10:33 AM
LoL
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 30, 2014, 12:24:15 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/UFkHd.gif)
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: Gluggler on January 30, 2014, 12:24:50 AM
By all means, keep posting Ged, just makes you look like a twat. Carry on as you were.
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: itsmeitis on January 30, 2014, 12:25:58 AM
By all means, keep posting Ged, just makes you look like a twat. Carry on as you were.

thanks - but i'm not seeking your permission ;)
Title: Re: turncoat sellout launches scathing attack
Post by: stevemontuno on January 30, 2014, 02:21:48 AM
By all means, keep posting Ged, just makes you look like a twat. Carry on as you were.
Ahh so your not a yellow belly that has to tweet people to go do your dirty work for you,,

Maybe you are though,,, lol,,,,