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Title: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 04, 2014, 01:30:11 AM
Hi guys having a problem with my lava tube 2, i use a genisis tank system but i cant build a wick over 1.7 oms and the laver tube wont recognise my wick (works fine on other mods) can you help me build a wick over 1.7 oms something like 2.7 oms would be good
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: itsmeitis on January 04, 2014, 01:34:14 AM
wicks don't generally have resistance - that would more commonly be the coil.

simply make it longer.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 04, 2014, 01:06:54 PM
sorry I didn't explain myself very well yes I mean the coil not the wick, I will try to put 4 or 5 winds next time I make a new wick, should I try to get the coils as close together as possible? I thought if I only made a 3 wide coil I wouldn't have too many hotspot issues so that was my logic with that, and as I said the coil works fine on other mods, but I would like it to work with the lava tube.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: itsmeitis on January 04, 2014, 01:44:54 PM
you'll automatically get the coils closer together due to the density of additional wraps - try space them evenly.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: Capt12B on January 04, 2014, 01:59:41 PM
On devices like a LT I typically find you need a 4/3 wrap of 32g or a 5/4 wrap of 28g to get over the 1.3 ohms needed to allow the VV/VW device to fire. I try to space my wraps evenly - the real close wraps are more like a micro coil set up.  I do find the the LT will fire low ohm coils better than my provari or zmax.  If your having trouble getting things set up maybe start off with a mechanical mod to get the coils cooked in and happily glowing and then move the atty over to the LT ;)
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 04, 2014, 02:06:39 PM
cheers my wire is .20 kanthal (that's what it says on the pack) think i will get the wife to try and get 5 wraps on the coil, i get loads of vape from it as it is with my other batteries just want my LT to work.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 04, 2014, 06:57:04 PM
still no luck tried 5 wraps 4 wraps still LT dont like it keeps saying 0.0 oms or well, LT works fine with other attys with 2.5 oms shame.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: itsmeitis on January 04, 2014, 07:02:16 PM
probably best off just keeping other atties with the lavatube and the genny with the stuff it likes to work with.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: justin case on January 04, 2014, 07:06:04 PM
yeah your coil is shorting out on the mesh, pull the mesh out and you will have an even glowing coil on the LT.....pulse it on the mod it works on till you get ALL the coils glowing evenly and then stick it back on the LT.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 04, 2014, 07:15:06 PM
yeah your coil is shorting out on the mesh, pull the mesh out and you will have an even glowing coil on the LT.....pulse it on the mod it works on till you get ALL the coils glowing evenly and then stick it back on the LT.

i dont understand how is it shorting on the LT but glows evenly on other mods can you help?
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: itsmeitis on January 04, 2014, 07:16:50 PM
glows evenly on other mods ...

what mods are those ?
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 04, 2014, 07:20:59 PM
glows evenly on other mods ...

what mods are those ?
any other batterie holder i use i cant remember the names of them just batteries with a 510 connection them
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: itsmeitis on January 04, 2014, 07:24:59 PM
take a piece of the 0.20 kanthal wire and measure 4cm - cut it slightly longer so as to have a bit to mess with.

join it to the two normal anchor points of genny with no wick at all.

make one large loop out of the wire making sure it doesn't contact anything but two the ends.

if that will then glow/work while attached to and fired by the lavatube, then it shows the lavatube to be without fault.

that would mean its an build problem of the atty, probably brought about by a short amid the coil and wick.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: justin case on January 04, 2014, 07:26:25 PM
i'll wager that ALL your coils are not glowing evenly, i bet just the top ones are, and i'll also wager the back of your throat has no skin left on it..lol
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 04, 2014, 07:42:39 PM
i'll wager that ALL your coils are not glowing evenly, i bet just the top ones are, and i'll also wager the back of your throat has no skin left on it..lol

lol honestly the coil  glows evenly on my other devices, I tested it on my lea and bombshell and riva 510 it works fine taste is very good, why would it work on my other devices? Except the LT? Really interested now before it was just pissing me off, I really want to fix it now.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: justin case on January 04, 2014, 07:50:03 PM
do the test itsmeitis suggested and if that fails you have a knackered lava tube
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 04, 2014, 07:50:23 PM
take a piece of the 0.20 kanthal wire and measure 4cm - cut it slightly longer so as to have a bit to mess with.

join it to the two normal anchor points of genny with no wick at all.

make one large loop out of the wire making sure it doesn't contact anything but two the ends.

if that will then glow/work while attached to and fired by the lavatube, then it shows the lavatube to be without fault.

that would mean its an build problem of the atty, probably brought about by a short amid the coil and wick.


Are you telling me the mesh hasn't got  to touch coil at all?
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 04, 2014, 07:52:02 PM
do the test itsmeitis suggested and if that fails you have a knackered lava tube

yes i will ty
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 04, 2014, 08:01:24 PM
ok did the test and the LT says low oms and if i press it to get an oms reading it says 0.0, thats mad because the LT works fine with other pre built attys with a 2.7 oms reading.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: justin case on January 04, 2014, 08:04:29 PM
only thing i can think of is that you are using some really low res wire, try the test again with twice as much wire
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 04, 2014, 08:16:00 PM
only thing i can think of is that you are using some really low res wire, try the test again with twice as much wire

8 cm one loop with  .20 kanthal low oms 0.0
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: Capt12B on January 04, 2014, 08:21:07 PM
Sounds to me like the attys center post isn't making contact with the center contact on the LT and hence the 0.0 ohm reading. If a previous atty had a more protruding center post it could have pushed the LTs contact down.  I have had this problem in the past and reached in and gently nudged the LTs center post up a tad and the problem was fixed.  On my LT I eventually cut a thin strip of silicon of a boge carto bung and pushed it down under the center post to keep it up in position .
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: justin case on January 04, 2014, 08:22:17 PM
in that case and if the LT fires up other stuff, it must be a problem with the 510 connector on the atty or the LT or both.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: itsmeitis on January 04, 2014, 08:24:03 PM
ok did the test and the LT says low oms and if i press it to get an oms reading it says 0.0, thats mad because the LT works fine with other pre built attys with a 2.7 oms reading.

low ohms should refer to a short - 0.0 ohms to open circuit
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 04, 2014, 08:31:52 PM
ok anyone want to buy a LT, just one other thing i know when an atty blows the LT says 9.9 just ajusted the center post on my jenny still no go, thanks for all your help may give up on it now.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: itsmeitis on January 04, 2014, 08:32:36 PM
might be time to upgrade to a Vamo  ;D
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 04, 2014, 08:33:34 PM
might be time to upgrade to a Vamo  ;D

link please
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: justin case on January 04, 2014, 08:44:12 PM
might be time to upgrade to a Vamo  ;D

link please

do you want one cheap and slow delivery, or dear with fast delivery?
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: Capt12B on January 04, 2014, 08:48:12 PM
Did you try lifting the center post on the LT. It really may be the issue.  If the center post is depressed enough it will cause the open circuit if it smashes the o ring below and touches the base.  I have seen this problem a lot with egos, LTs and other mods that have floating center post.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: itsmeitis on January 04, 2014, 08:56:44 PM
or even pop a tiny ball of tinfoil in there so as to extend the contact of their two centre pins - if that makes it work, then problem solved and centre pin lift should offer a more permanent fix.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 04, 2014, 11:45:18 PM
or even pop a tiny ball of tinfoil in there so as to extend the contact of their two centre pins - if that makes it work, then problem solved and centre pin lift should offer a more permanent fix.

WOW ok this is what i did i kept screwing the grmm slightly turn by turn and pressing the oms button it started with 9.9 meaning no contact turned abit more still 9.9 a bit more and wow i get 1.7 oms vaping like a steam train BUT the tank is loose if i screw it so its tight i get 0.0 againe?
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: itsmeitis on January 05, 2014, 12:00:02 AM
cool - its fixed - just dont screw it on too tight :P

but for the permanent fix, just tease the centre pin of the lavatube up slightly exactly as Capt advised - that should hopefully have it working for as long as it stays up.

if you replace the atty with one which again forces the centre pin down, then you'll re-introduce the problem. the rubber slip fix which Capt mentioned, may stop that from happening.

Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 05, 2014, 12:01:04 AM
Sorted i put an extension piece adaptor (thats the only way i can describe it) and it is working fine and its tight now, i thought it was because it wasnt making a good connection but looks like it was pushing somthing away?.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 05, 2014, 12:04:05 AM
cool - its fixed - just dont screw it on too tight :P

but for the permanent fix, just tease the centre pin of the lavatube up slightly exactly as Capt advised - that should hopefully have it working for as long as it stays up.

if you replace the atty with one which again forces the centre pin down, then you'll re-introduce the problem. the rubber slip fix which Capt mentioned, may stop that from happening.

i would not have a clue how to get the center pin up in the LT its a LT 2 and it looks like a sealed unit?
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: itsmeitis on January 05, 2014, 12:11:14 AM
you should be able to tease it up slightly using a pin or precision screwdriver or something similar - you'll only need to budge it a millimetre at most.

dont overdo it, or you'll perhaps end up popping it out and breaking the whole unit.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: itsmeitis on January 05, 2014, 12:12:45 AM
scrub the above - i just looked at one i had to hand and it appears to be different to how i'd thought.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: itsmeitis on January 05, 2014, 12:16:08 AM
if yours happens to be same as the one i have here, you may need to pull the centre pin (very, very slightly) using some long nosed pliers.

it might even be possible to adjust it using the strait edge screwdriver slot, if your has that too.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 05, 2014, 12:17:25 AM
thanks for all your help you pointed me in the right direction i just did not think of it actually pushing somthing down thought it would have been the other way not making a good connection? the center post on my genny is more pointed then flat ill ajust that in a sec see what happens.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 05, 2014, 12:26:42 AM
now i know its working i may even try to get a higher oms reading would like over 2.00 so will do the test with the 4.2 cm wire again see what i get.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: itsmeitis on January 05, 2014, 12:50:43 AM
2.0 ohms should be comfortably within the lavatubes capabilities - 2.0 ohm is also quite a sweet spot that i used to strive to achieve with ever rebuild 8)
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: stopit33 on January 05, 2014, 01:59:43 AM
I don't know how I got myself in this mess with my LT, what I have done is gone back to the start with my center pole, I screwed it right back so its flat (not protruding at all) and everything works fine my tank is just about flat to the LT base and it works perfectly how the hell I got the center post protruding I don't know, sorry for wasting everybody time.
Title: Re: lava tube wick help please
Post by: Capt12B on January 05, 2014, 02:11:15 AM
Not at all, just glad that your back up and running. It's these little speed bumps along the way that make you  a seasoned vaper.