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Title: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: igetcha on June 18, 2013, 01:33:39 PM
Posted on behalf of "eBaron" (supplier and owner of www.HouseOfLiquid.com (http://www.HouseOfLiquid.com))


The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), recently published a proposal for the regulation of eLiquid in the UK with effect from 2016.
 
Please read their proposal:-

http://www.mhra.gov.uk/NewsCentre/Pressreleases/CON286855 (http://www.mhra.gov.uk/NewsCentre/Pressreleases/CON286855)

 
As you understand, the new regulations would most likely effect every UK e-cig user. We are starting putting together a team of experts in order to discuss with the UK regulators the issue.
In addition, we are putting together in all major UK vaping forums a simple poll. The results would be used for our discussions with the Regulators, and hopefully would be help to determine the future of e-cig in the UK.
 
We would be grateful if all UK members and e-cig users take part in this Poll that would last for 15 days. Numbers do matter, so please, please take few minutes to read the MHRA Proposal and cast your vote.
 
The Poll is designed as neutral and simplistic as possible and in order to be fair only UK residents should vote. (this poll has been posted on many forums - please only vote on one forum poll)
 
Once again, please take few minutes and cast your vote. Your participation is essential
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 18, 2013, 01:43:11 PM
this poll, as taking place across various forums, would require division by the amount of forums offered to ...

for example, every person invited to offer what is in effect four or more separate votes, and by opportunity to do so, makes the exercise at best, inaccurate.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: igetcha on June 18, 2013, 01:46:20 PM
you mean you could vote on every poll in every forum this is posted on......correct?
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 18, 2013, 01:50:22 PM
yes ... it means anyone can lodge one vote at each forum, so the overall total would offer a misleading impression as multiplied by the amount of opportunities where single vote is invited.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: igetcha on June 18, 2013, 01:57:47 PM
yes ... it means anyone can lodge one vote at each forum, so the overall total would offer a misleading impression as multiplied by the amount of opportunities where single vote is invited.

i have passed that info on to the creator ;)
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: ukric on June 18, 2013, 02:05:45 PM
Where is the poll?
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: igetcha on June 18, 2013, 02:07:01 PM
Where is the poll?

its the big thing at the top called "Poll" ;)
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 18, 2013, 02:17:39 PM
lol ... ;D

assuming you mean, "where is the poll?" as in outward of ECR, its presumably prevalent across each e-cig forum. certainly been invited to lodge at each one which i have visited today.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: ukric on June 18, 2013, 02:19:40 PM
I don't see it?
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: igetcha on June 18, 2013, 02:24:30 PM
the poll is at the top of this thread ya numpty :P
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: ukric on June 18, 2013, 02:25:20 PM
Oh? Where's that then?
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: igetcha on June 18, 2013, 02:27:12 PM
try using your computer instead......not sure if the polls are visible via Tapatalk etc
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Jimblob on June 18, 2013, 02:27:39 PM
Oh? Where's that then?

I don't see it either. Must be an apple thing.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: igetcha on June 18, 2013, 02:29:04 PM
Oh? Where's that then?

I don't see it either. Must be an apple thing.

I'm on a Mac and can see it......are you using an iPad or iPhone?
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Jimblob on June 18, 2013, 02:30:48 PM
Oh? Where's that then?

I don't see it either. Must be an apple thing.

I'm on a Mac and can see it......are you using an iPad or iPhone?

iPad
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: igetcha on June 18, 2013, 02:31:03 PM
Just tested it on an iPad and I can see it clearly.......just use the Safari browser rather than Tapatalk ;)
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 18, 2013, 02:47:33 PM
another consideration ... an example : "Do you believe the new MHRA proposals would be beneficial to you as e-liquid / e-cig user?"

yes ... because these proposals brought wide enlightenment to the public on mass.
no  ... because the same proposals brought enlightenment to a wider public on mass.

might it be great that virtually every UK citizen may now know vaping, but on reflection, not great many UK citizens vape products cited as unsuitable.

............

proposals as set out, suggest lead to minimum three year breathing space ,and even then we can read plenty of assertive rhetoric that suggests the MHRA have zero actual authority.
given the minimum three unhindered years and then some, it might be very beneficial to us that such futile authority has taken charge.

it might if reports are accurate, suggest we are by far at our safest under the current approach ... might vaping as a whole, shoot its own proverbial foot by pushing to surer extinction.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: igetcha on June 18, 2013, 03:53:48 PM
Just bare in mind Ged that I'm just posting this on behalf of the supplier......he can't post it here because I had banned him, lol (nothing sinister in his banning, it was just due to the forum registration process stating that suppliers are not permitted to join)

He is active on the Vapepit forum (where this is also posted) so can you please copy n paste your post over there so that he may see it and respond

Cheers

Scott
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 18, 2013, 03:56:25 PM
i know and realise and as such my replies aren't aimed nor asked of you ... mine is just my own thoughts toward the viability of votes.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: igetcha on June 18, 2013, 04:06:03 PM
Yeah I know mate, but you have made valid points which Mr eBaron would probably like to take on board. So I can either keep jumping from forum to forum to say "my mate suggested this (insert a copy of your text).....what is your response Mr eBaron so I can pass it on?" Or I can kindly ask you to share your thoughts directly with him which kinda makes more sense, lol :P
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: stevemontuno on June 18, 2013, 04:19:58 PM
Hehe ,, go on GED,,,it will be like dipping your toe into a scolding hot bath,,,lol  :P
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 18, 2013, 04:29:12 PM
i understand what you're saying, however i'm not quite talking to mr eBaron, but more the wider electorate ... while we see many similar calls to action, i feel duty bound to appropriate potential implications.

my mention of implications aren't intended in isolation nor too their individual author, so not reserved just only toward this particular poll.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 18, 2013, 04:35:44 PM
Hehe ,, go on GED,,,it will be like dipping your toe into a scolding hot bath,,,lol  :P

lol ... different forums are bound by those of differing persuasions ... for the sake of my own safety, i'll leave them to their own. ;D
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Jimblob on June 18, 2013, 04:35:52 PM
Hehe ,, go on GED,,,it will be like dipping your toe into a scolding hot bath,,,lol  :P

Your having a laugh. More like jumping into an active volcano, lol.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: stevemontuno on June 18, 2013, 04:37:39 PM
Anyways I put No,,,,,just cos I kinda like it the way it is now,,,,
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: stevemontuno on June 18, 2013, 04:39:26 PM
Hehe ,, go on GED,,,it will be like dipping your toe into a scolding hot bath,,,lol  :P

Your having a laugh. More like jumping into an active volcano, lol.

You must of been a human sacrifice in your last life Jim,, :P
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Jimblob on June 18, 2013, 04:39:40 PM
Hehe ,, go on GED,,,it will be like dipping your toe into a scolding hot bath,,,lol  :P

Your having a laugh. More like jumping into an active volcano, lol.

..or boarding the big white bus on the window lickers seaside outing :D
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 18, 2013, 04:39:51 PM
Anyways I put No,,,,,just cos I kinda like it the way it is now,,,,

I would have put Yes,,,,for precisely the same reason,,,,
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: igetcha on June 18, 2013, 04:46:27 PM
I voted for dont know.....I like to sit on the fence, observe and then play my cards, lol
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Jimblob on June 18, 2013, 04:47:51 PM
Hehe ,, go on GED,,,it will be like dipping your toe into a scolding hot bath,,,lol  :P

Your having a laugh. More like jumping into an active volcano, lol.

You must of been a human sacrifice in your last life Jim,, :P

I agree. There were plenty of torches and pitchforks back then too :P
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: stevemontuno on June 18, 2013, 04:48:48 PM
Anyways I put No,,,,,just cos I kinda like it the way it is now,,,,

I would have put Yes,,,,for precisely the same reason,,,,
I would of put yes if I enjoyed vaping cigalikes and 4mg juice ,,,  wait a minute I do vape 4mg juice,,,lol ,,,,
but its nice to have a vape on some heavy stuff now and then
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 18, 2013, 04:54:11 PM
lol ... 4mg isn't the intention of MHRA :P
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: stevemontuno on June 18, 2013, 05:02:23 PM
lol ... 4mg isn't the intention of MHRA :P
Thought I heard somewhere they wanted to limit the mg strength to 4mg,,,,my bad,,,lol ,,,,ah well,,

I just can't agree with a system that seems like they want to ban all the stuff that's out already just so they can bring in there own brand of gaping gear,,,,I havnt read into it too much cos it isn't really going to effect me,,,but that's the message I'm kinda getting from it all
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: ilegal on June 18, 2013, 05:08:31 PM
It's a 'no' from me
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Nick Brown on June 18, 2013, 05:39:51 PM
Mixed feelings at the mo'.
Some regulation is good, for example, a dodgy bottle of vodka could send you blind and comments like this...
The quality of NCPs can vary considerably which is why licensing them as medicines will allow people to have the confidence that they are safe, are of the right quality and work. The MHRA commissioned its own research on products available for sale in the UK. This confirmed that nicotine levels can be considerably different from the level stated on the label.
make me believe that this is good. But they also say...
Once licensed by the MHRA, electronic cigarettes and other NCPs will be available for sale as over-the-counter medicines and for healthcare professionals to recommend as Nicotine Replacement Therapy.
Which makes me think that they want to only sell sealed cigerlikes to reduce our enjoyment and force us to quit completely.
It also annoys me that they constantly refer to e-cigs as nicotine replacement. This is so wrong, it's smoking replacement, there's a big difference!
So I'll abstain from voting for a few days 'till I've had more time to think about it.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: squid on June 18, 2013, 06:18:26 PM
i thought ecita said yesterday for what there opinion its worth that nic on ecigs will never be medical classed ?
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 18, 2013, 06:31:50 PM
i thought ecita said yesterday for what there opinion its worth that nic on ecigs will never be medical classed ?

right too Squid ... and hence my earlier asserting point that;

proposals as set out, suggest lead to minimum three year breathing space, and even then we can read plenty of assertive rhetoric that suggests the MHRA have zero actual authority.
given the minimum three unhindered years and then some, it might be very beneficial to us that such futile authority has taken charge.

it might if reports are accurate, suggest we are by far at our safest under the current approach ... might vaping as a whole, shoot its own proverbial foot by pushing to surer extinction.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Wayne on June 18, 2013, 08:23:38 PM
Can you add an option to the poll: I couldn't give a flying ****.   ta :-*
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 18, 2013, 08:27:48 PM
Can you add an option to the poll: I couldn't give a flying ****.   ta :-*

vote counted and as stands, potentially the safest way to protect our opportunity to vape on and prosper. 8)
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Jimblob on June 18, 2013, 08:53:30 PM
Can you add an option to the poll: I couldn't give a flying ****.   ta :-*

He's got my vote.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Nick Brown on June 19, 2013, 05:51:58 PM
Can you add an option to the poll: I couldn't give a flying ****.   ta :-*
Mmm... I think you'd come under the no category.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 19, 2013, 05:53:50 PM
not quite.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: emtronea on June 19, 2013, 07:02:39 PM
Do you believe the new MHRA proposals would be beneficial to you as e-liquid / e-cig user

yes so ppl can get them free on prescription woot.

no cause most people dont see smoking as a illness. and are less likely to go to the doctor. u only had to look at nico gum n pathces they wer so unsuccessfull they had no choice to sell out of the pharmacy n into shops, once they wer under lock n key n now ther always on sale

it seems to me we need to prove ecigs arnt safe or  prove ther not a quit smoking aid.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: a1laserboy on June 19, 2013, 07:16:40 PM
I voted no - although the main thing I read into their (mhra) statement as ensuring the sub-standard cig-a-like products available will have to be accurate in their claims - which must be a good thing. I can see that juice suppliers could have trouble, but then things like ibuprofen and paracetamol are medicines and you can buy them everywhere, so will it really affect them?

As far as I see, they did not mention limiting nic in juice to any particular strength, but I can see it happening.

How can they regulate the delivery systems we use? They can not stop the manufacture of mods or atty's. The efficiency of our chosen setup in delivering nicotine will vary regardless the proven strength of the juice I'm sure.

Anyway, I'll be stocking up on nic base as time goes by, and I'll still continue to mix it with the inaccurate kiddy medicine syringes so every mix will be slightly different. If i have a slightly stronger mix, I vape it a little less and vica-versa.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: diz on June 19, 2013, 09:53:54 PM
Personally, I can't wait to try the new MHRY4 flavour!
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Fiona on June 20, 2013, 09:17:47 AM
It'll probably taste of savlon with a hint of hibiscrub  ;D
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Nick Brown on June 20, 2013, 06:29:03 PM
Well, I've finally voted no.
I figure I'd rather take my chances with with a dodgy e-liquid that hand over control of it to that bunch of f... w...ers
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 20, 2013, 06:32:41 PM
Well, I've finally voted no.
I figure I'd rather take my chances with with a dodgy e-liquid that hand over control of it to that bunch of f... w...ers

if such the bunch of whatever we're expected to believe, then they'd have closed things down already ... legally or underhandedly, they could bring abrupt halt at any time of their choosing.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Nick Brown on June 20, 2013, 06:59:03 PM
No. I believe there's a constant battle being fought between those that care and those who want our money.
Those who want our money have the upper hand but not complete control yet. That's why it hasn't been banned... yet.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 20, 2013, 07:01:40 PM
No. I believe there's a constant battle being fought between those that care and those who want our money.
Those who want our money have the upper hand but not complete control yet. That's why it hasn't been banned... yet.

the menthol you mixed ... were you able to find PG devoid of the usual pharmaecopia grade which is in all our e-liquids ?

fact is, we all use pharmaceutical grade PG, VG and Nicotine ... another fact is, MHRA have no intention to ban any of it.

the final but perhaps most important point, those who want our money are no more caring than the next lot, but they wouldn't want you to realise that.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Nick Brown on June 20, 2013, 07:15:36 PM
no
How do you Know, they have no intention of banning it?
And, those who want our money, don't care about us, just our money which increases their survival chances.
The other lot care about society to thus, increase their survival chances.
I'm betting on the other lot by the way
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 20, 2013, 09:39:43 PM
How do you Know, they have no intention of banning it?

by observing their very own publications, and every amount of additional evidence ... but also by not entertaining the counter argument propaganda, from those gathering their own additional premium in reselling the
very same pharmaceutical ingredients.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Nick Brown on June 20, 2013, 09:59:07 PM
I always try not to entertain the counter argument propagander (although do do find it appealing) because people are always trying to convince you that their argument is correct.
I don't understand though.
How are people gathering additional premium in reselling the very same pharmaceutical ingredients?
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 20, 2013, 10:09:39 PM
How are people gathering additional premium in reselling the very same pharmaceutical ingredients?

while there are those voting and aren't even aware the source of the ingredients vaped, then little point in confronting better responsible regulation.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Nick Brown on June 21, 2013, 12:21:02 AM
But if the source is sh.. and we can tell sh.. If we vape it, we will vote with our feet.
Look dude, I like your thoughts, but I'm off.
Byeee :P!!
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 21, 2013, 12:24:48 AM
cya later dude ... be good, keep well, enjoy the camping ... see ya soon. 8)
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: thecrazyfog on June 25, 2013, 10:50:22 PM
For anyone who hasn't yet seen this, it is well worth a view.
 Clive Bates on his view of the mhra's decision to class all ecigs as meds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5meJdDc9uLM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5meJdDc9uLM)
plus all the other vids for the 'SWOF' & 'Vapourtrails TV'   campaign
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: ukric on June 25, 2013, 10:55:55 PM
Who is Clive Bates?
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: thecrazyfog on June 25, 2013, 11:01:52 PM
He's part of the SWOF (smoke without fire) team who is fighting our cause in brussels. lobbying the MEP'S etc....
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: thecrazyfog on June 25, 2013, 11:03:59 PM
Check out his website.. he certainly knows his stuff
http://www.clivebates.com/ (http://www.clivebates.com/)
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: ukric on June 25, 2013, 11:29:52 PM
Hmmm, I read the about me, and the linked in profile. I'm gonna pass on the vid.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: NoMoon on June 26, 2013, 11:42:39 AM
One benefit of being classed as medicine is that it will be difficult for places like pubs and offices to stop us using them.  It's one thing being a strange new habit for weirdos like me but completely different if there is a possibility your GP recommended it. 

If nothing else they will have to have proper guidelines that actually make sense on some level, rather than the knee-jerk stupidity we see now.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 26, 2013, 11:54:33 AM
i'm not so sure Wetherspoons would need invite consumption on their premises any more than they disallow the pharmaceutical grade components that we use currently ... but it would be good where doctors could officially, collectively recommend e-cigs to all as the safer alternative/quit device which we as vapers appreciate.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: MARK W on July 16, 2013, 01:36:01 PM
Hi all,

I just saw this vote and scanned the comments so may have missed someone saying what I am about to say.

The Government is there to rake money from the people to pay for the debt mountain that the government have created (for our benefit) LOL.
Take a look at all regulated nic replacement ideas and how much they cost.

Guaranteed they will asap start to price the items like they were tailor mades and say that "this is for your own good and that is why they are doing it blah blah!"
They assume that people must stop because it's bad even though there is no evidence when talking about vaping.

You will not change their minds because all this is a cover. Their real motive is to tax addiction because they got you by the short and curlies, just like beer etc.

Say no and at least try to stop them getting a foot in the door for as long as possible.

I have no wish to STOP and I have no wish for the government that we elected to do our will to then tell us what we want!!!

SAY NO - SALT YOUR WINDOWS AND DOORS -.

We know where the good stuff is, we know when the nic is low or high and we keep each other informed we don't need help, haven't they got anything else to worry about!

Sorry to go on but heres a nugget. When placing a Truvello speed camera, by law you can only place one where there have been at least two deaths, info from the Northamptonshire speed course I had to go on  :-[. Now think how many cameras you know about. Has anyone died through Vaping... Anyone... Anywhere...
So why the interest.....  HERES WHY $$$$$ £££££ $$$$$ £££££. >:(

END, Thank you.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: spyder on August 06, 2013, 09:27:57 PM

So why the interest.....  HERES WHY $$$$$ £££££ $$$$$ £££££. >:(

END, Thank you.

Exactly. Could you imagine having to fork out £20-£25 for 30ml of approved liquid from a chemist? Hell you maybe forced to pay that for a 10ml bottle.

Now they realise how much they are losing in taxes as more and more smokers make the switch. I've had 7 smokers at work switch in the last month. The latest was a 30-40 a day smoker that has refused it as an option for the last 5 years. Peer pressure? lol

Anyway, yes, they want their share of the market and heavily tax it.

Time to start thinking about that stockpile and grab a few litres of nic base me thinks.  :P
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: gruff on August 28, 2013, 11:04:30 PM
Hi all,

I just saw this vote and scanned the comments so may have missed someone saying what I am about to say.

The Government is there to rake money from the people to pay for the debt mountain that the government have created (for our benefit) LOL.
Take a look at all regulated nic replacement ideas and how much they cost.

Guaranteed they will asap start to price the items like they were tailor mades and say that "this is for your own good and that is why they are doing it blah blah!"
They assume that people must stop because it's bad even though there is no evidence when talking about vaping.

You will not change their minds because all this is a cover. Their real motive is to tax addiction because they got you by the short and curlies, just like beer etc.

Say no and at least try to stop them getting a foot in the door for as long as possible.

I have no wish to STOP and I have no wish for the government that we elected to do our will to then tell us what we want!!!

SAY NO - SALT YOUR WINDOWS AND DOORS -.

We know where the good stuff is, we know when the nic is low or high and we keep each other informed we don't need help, haven't they got anything else to worry about!

Sorry to go on but heres a nugget. When placing a Truvello speed camera, by law you can only place one where there have been at least two deaths, info from the Northamptonshire speed course I had to go on  :-[. Now think how many cameras you know about. Has anyone died through Vaping... Anyone... Anywhere...
So why the interest.....  HERES WHY $$$$$ £££££ $$$$$ £££££. >:(

END, Thank you.
i agree with most of what you say apart from the government thing. this government werent exactly voted in, they was coillisionened from the conservatives and liberals (who seperatly didnt achieve a majority, but who collectively did). i cant moan, cuz i wont vote
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: WJM364 on January 01, 2014, 07:01:33 AM
I smoked for 35+ years, i purchased i starter kit for £24.99. Know i haven't smoked for 32 days. ◄IT WORKS► I'm not out of breath after taking a brisk walk, i have stopped coughing up that nasty mucus every morning.. I am totally against changes, with bureaucracy and red tape by the mhra..  ◄ Happy Vaping ►     8)
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: bainzy5 on February 04, 2014, 10:16:44 PM
I voted no. I agree with some of the things they're saying, but I like things as they are now. Do these "regulations" apply to pre-made eliquid or does it apply to DIY supplies as well?
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on February 04, 2014, 10:47:15 PM
quite probably only the nicotine and nicotine containing parts - there are people whom might claim otherwise, but as we can purchase whole host of drug paraphernalia related to illegal substances, it would be logical to believe we will be always remain able to buy the devices we use.

regulations have far moved on though since this thread began - the new proposals include e-liquids no higher in nicotine than 20mg and not to be sold in multiples over 10ml.

great for an amount of vendors and not so bad for a vast amount of vapers, but less ideal sadly than if we'd been left out of their equations altogether.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Chalky Chalk on June 25, 2014, 02:33:25 PM
I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination but here's my opinion.

I can see the need to regulate eliquids, run proper safety testing trials and make the manufacturers adhere to specific safety standards. It's about looking for a safe or safer alternative to smoking. However, classing it as a medicine will put people off making the switch. Smokers don't want to be classed as sick and therefore aren't looking for a cure.

I agree that the government are looking at the amount of tax money they're missing out on and looking to capitalise on what is now a very profitable and expanding market. They'll make plenty of savings down the road with the relief on the NHS as treating cancer is extremely costly, but they're missing out on immediate gains which could put more strain on our already f**ked economy.

If eliquids are only available over the counter then choices will be limited. More than likely manufacturers will be the big pharmaceutical companies, ones the government can tax again for their profits and reap further rewards. They'll probably taste like s**t, poor cigarette imitation flavours, and may even push people back towards smoking. The government won't really care about that because no matter what their money keeps rolling in.

One of the things I keep reading lately is that eliquid manufacturers are now deliberately targeting children by providing sweet flavours, which is bulls**t. I prefer tobacco flavours personally, but I know most of you guys prefer the sweet flavours which have been around for ages and were not aimed at children. Why not put an 18 yrs and over age restriction on purchasing products and on vaping? Would that not be a sensible way to stop it being classed as a "gateway to smoking"?

I smoked for 20 years, and have been using ecigs for the last three years (with a few minor relapses) but now the idea of smoking a cigarette makes me feel sick. They really need to make this work and not totally f**k it up for profit. I've voted no for the current proposal as I don't think it's entirely suitable.
Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: itsmeitis on June 25, 2014, 03:40:50 PM
I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination but here's my opinion.

I can see the need to regulate eliquids, run proper safety testing trials and make the manufacturers adhere to specific safety standards. It's about looking for a safe or safer alternative to smoking. However, classing it as a medicine will put people off making the switch. Smokers don't want to be classed as sick and therefore aren't looking for a cure.

there are lots of vapers who sought help from the medical profession to rid them of addiction - it would be fair to assume patients would be more inclined to succeed in quiting if champix and was replaced with a nice bottle of juice and an eGo to vape it with ... ;D

I agree that the government are looking at the amount of tax money they're missing out on and looking to capitalise on what is now a very profitable and expanding market. They'll make plenty of savings down the road with the relief on the NHS as treating cancer is extremely costly, but they're missing out on immediate gains which could put more strain on our already f**ked economy.

revenue from smoking has long been crucial - decline in tobacco use runs coincidental with the increase in e-cig use - the switch of focus might seem logical.
in fact, as former smokers, we may one day rely on the duty brought from e-cigs to pay for as yet unrealised damage we did to ourselves while smoking.

If eliquids are only available over the counter then choices will be limited. More than likely manufacturers will be the big pharmaceutical companies, ones the government can tax again for their profits and reap further rewards. They'll probably taste like s**t, poor cigarette imitation flavours, and may even push people back towards smoking. The government won't really care about that because no matter what their money keeps rolling in.

i use nicotine base bought direct from our heavily government licensed supplier - very competitively priced too - although unflavoured, it requires very little effort to create endless variations of e-liquid.

One of the things I keep reading lately is that eliquid manufacturers are now deliberately targeting children by providing sweet flavours, which is bulls**t. I prefer tobacco flavours personally, but I know most of you guys prefer the sweet flavours which have been around for ages and were not aimed at children. Why not put an 18 yrs and over age restriction on purchasing products and on vaping? Would that not be a sensible way to stop it being classed as a "gateway to smoking"?

this is a controversial one - the average age of active vapers has certainly fallen during the past few years and advertising has taken on some traditionally youthful avenues ... having said that, i would disagree with media assertions which suggest manufacturers actively target children in the true sense, even though there are numerous examples of children using or becoming increasingly interested in e-cigs.

on the flip side, we do see many vapers deceivingly eager to express how any proposed restriction put on e-cigs, will drive them to tobacco - maybe the same could be said.

I smoked for 20 years, and have been using ecigs for the last three years (with a few minor relapses) but now the idea of smoking a cigarette makes me feel sick. They really need to make this work and not totally f**k it up for profit. I've voted no for the current proposal as I don't think it's entirely suitable.

the vote at the top of this thread/subject, is actually very very old - organisations have been and gone in the meantime and meanwhile, the EU have decided and given their recommendations, which member states may or may not rush to implement. the majority will not fall to medical classification 8)

major cigarette companies have invested hundreds of millions of dollars during the past twelve months, securing their part in the lucrative e-cig industry . so certainly hints that, e-cigs are here to stay.

Title: Re: THE BIG VOTE
Post by: Chalky Chalk on June 25, 2014, 04:30:40 PM
Hahaha I just saw the date of the original post!
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