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Title: Looking to genesize!
Post by: andym on October 21, 2012, 08:22:31 PM
i am looking into a genesis type atomiser and came across this one,it will eliminate the need for oxidising the mesh.Any thoughts or ideas on them or will i be better to take the plunge and go for a Cobra?

http://www.health-e-vape.co.uk/ss-maximus-pro---rebuildable-atomizer-in-stock----4017-p.asp (http://www.health-e-vape.co.uk/ss-maximus-pro---rebuildable-atomizer-in-stock----4017-p.asp)
Title: Looking to genesize!
Post by: Capt12B on October 21, 2012, 08:32:44 PM
The device looks fine to me and a nice price for an all SS genny. Not sure about the wick tubes or how well they work .
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: andym on October 21, 2012, 08:34:37 PM
I guess that it would be an ideal intro into Genesis type?Even if i had to Oxidise the mesh?
Title: Looking to genesize!
Post by: Capt12B on October 21, 2012, 08:43:47 PM
The wicks will need to be ox after the wick tubes are spent with that atty just like any other genny. I have no idea how well the wick tubes work but the device looks equivalent to a DID with the clear tank add on so I would assume it would perform just like any other genny. I have come to love my cobra ,though I found it more tempermental than the DiD to set up which I partly attribute to its down sized wick hole. I think ether way you would get genny experience and would warn you to be patient whichever route you choose to go. Nothing wrong with saving a little $ in the process ;)
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: andym on October 21, 2012, 08:45:30 PM
Cheers for that capt,i think i will take the plunge and get it and practise and see if it warrants me to go for a Cobra.
Title: Looking to genesize!
Post by: Capt12B on October 21, 2012, 08:47:33 PM
Please let us know how the wick tubes work out-  I'm very curious about them as they might be the solution for others struggling with hot spots on their gennys ;D
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: andym on October 21, 2012, 08:50:24 PM
will do as it comes with them in situ.
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: LAUSDEVA on October 21, 2012, 09:37:57 PM
I HAVE 2 VAPOUR HUT GENNYS THEY NOW SELL CLEAR TANKS AND ASPARES KIT WITH O-RINGS SCREWS AND NUTS I THINK YOU CARNT GET BETTER FOR THE PRICE  :D
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: itsmeitis on October 21, 2012, 09:50:05 PM
if you do decide on that one andy, remember to take advantage of the "UKVAPERS" discount code for a further reduction :)
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: Cerberus on October 21, 2012, 09:57:23 PM
that looks like a did lol and cheap to might get one of them it looks mint :)
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: itsmeitis on October 21, 2012, 09:58:33 PM
that looks like a did lol and cheap to might get one of them it looks mint :)
lol ... they all look like a DiD, 'cept them what dont ... like ones with a clear body ... ;)
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: Cerberus on October 22, 2012, 12:17:34 AM
Ha ha very funny ged
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: emtronea on October 22, 2012, 02:00:26 PM
just so every1 knows, u can put that wick or any kind of wick in a genny aslong as it works by feeding ure juice up  :P
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: andym on October 22, 2012, 03:17:18 PM
if you do decide on that one andy, remember to take advantage of the "UKVAPERS" discount code for a further reduction :)

Of course,being a Yorkshireman,a discont code is the firstt hing i look for! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: andym on October 23, 2012, 04:55:46 PM
Well it arrived today,and after a bloody awful day(i lots the house keys,drove 15miles to find them in the car,then later on i lose the Car keys,find them in a Sainsbury's bag with the taters!)
So i unscrew the TINY phillips screw,fill with the Fish,a few dribbles on the wick and attach to the ZMAX................nowt...............bugger all,so i swap it to the LT WOOOOOOOOOOOSH!(it will fit the Zmax with a small adapter i have.Once the manufacturing gubbins burnt off i was getting TONS and TONS of Vapour,the Throat hit had me coughing like i did on the stinkies,so i turn it down.Much better,still loads of vapour but the flavour isnt there in as much as i get off the Vivi Nova.I am assuming that it will need bedding in as it were.I will persevere,if after another 2 tanks the flavour isnt up to scratch,i will remove the wick sleeve and try oxidixing the mesh and try it down that route.Its a nicely built bit of kit with 2 drip tips,one a nice chrome job.Also spare mesh,wire and sleeve with a few O Rings.Its probably me being a noob.LOL,still its better than spending out on a Cobra to find out i dont like it LOL

oh,yeah i forgot.remember the TINY phillips screw?well i lost that on the floor trying to get the bugger back in!Possibly that may have a bearing on the poor taste,having a hole where it shouldnt be?
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: itsmeitis on October 23, 2012, 06:45:12 PM
glad to hear it arrived ... (bad news re the keys mind)

obviously cant be sure if the same is true of your particular one, but mine do differ very slightly by the presence or absence of the filler screw ... i tend to prefer it in when it comes to the Cobra, but others prefer it out.

you probably will find the flavour improves as the setup beds in ... incase you haven't already, check the hole in the top-cap lines up with your mesh, and also look to determine if your picking up any hot-spots too (need remove top-cap to view) ... sounds like your gettin' to grips with it mind, so, good luck and enjoy. 8)
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: Chunky on October 23, 2012, 07:21:34 PM
Well done Andy great work...and the atty journey continues :D
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: andym on October 23, 2012, 07:22:08 PM
Well i filled it up again,and whipped up the voltage on the LT to 4.9 v and its already getting better.I will pop into a Hotel tomorrow and blag a cocktail stick or two to bung the hole up.
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: itsmeitis on October 23, 2012, 07:25:54 PM
4.9v !!! :o ... that seems high ... might be fine though as it depends more upon the final resistance of the coil, but my highest personally, would be 4.2v as bound by a freshly charged battery.
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: andym on October 23, 2012, 07:37:00 PM
Funny you should say that,its now down to 4.2 V.It must be me being a Genny Noob!
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: Tigggger on October 24, 2012, 11:00:08 PM
andym, how are you getting on with this, and what was the problem with it and the zmax

ps got some of the swedish fish, nice recommendation  :)
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: zestoi on October 25, 2012, 11:29:31 AM
i'm looking to try a genesis style too, so just ordered a cheapo one from vapingthings but then.... saw this mentioned on ukvapers. going for about 10usd a pop, all (?) food grade stainless steel and going to be stocked by a uk supplier soon for less than 20quid. seems too good to be true. seems the chinese copycats are starting to copy using decent materials.


Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: itsmeitis on October 25, 2012, 11:46:09 AM
the chinese copycats ... lol ... but aside from that statement, the atty in your picture does look to be quite a cool looker.
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: zestoi on October 25, 2012, 11:50:31 AM
yup - i do think that is one cool looking atty... i'll certainly grab one to try when they're available. shows the power of their production techniques when they can make them that cheap :) very interested to know how well it vapes. apparently the top part is just held on by an 'o' ring so u can align the air intake with the coil etc.
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: zestoi on October 25, 2012, 11:54:19 AM
i also liked the look of this japanese made atty which is selling apparently for only 39EUR, tho no idea where from...

edit: found where to get it from... i may have to grab one at this price: http://www.vapor-freak.de/Phoenix-Mods/Arashi (http://www.vapor-freak.de/Phoenix-Mods/Arashi)
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: itsmeitis on October 25, 2012, 12:01:34 PM
yup - i do think that is one cool looking atty... i'll certainly grab one to try when they're available. shows the power of their production techniques when they can make them that cheap :) very interested to know how well it vapes. apparently the top part is just held on by an 'o' ring so u can align the air intake with the coil etc.

i suspect a large contributing factor as to why they ably make them so cheap, might be due to the factory of use, producing similar type pieces for other applications ...
it is often the case that prejudice exists when it comes to products from china, but however ignorant those prejudiced, they forget it was someone from right there in that there country, who actually began it for us all.

a copy-cat by any other name might be the Zen, Provari, Cobra, iAtty or any other device replicating the 510 connector. ;)
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: itsmeitis on October 25, 2012, 12:05:42 PM
i also liked the look of this japanese made atty which is selling apparently for only 39EUR, tho no idea where from...
again, another reasonable looking interpretation ... i think i like those too, but i prefer the looks of the first one.
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: zestoi on October 25, 2012, 12:07:28 PM
i suspect a large contributing factor as to why they ably make them so cheap, might be due to the factory of use, producing similar type pieces for other applications ...
it is often the case that prejudice exists where it comes to products from china, however ignorant they forget, someone from right there in that there country, who actually began it for us all.

a copy-cat by any other name might be the Zen, Provari, Cobra, iAtty or any other device replicating the 510 connector. ;)

true re: the cobra etc ;) i guess they all are really apart from the guy who came up with the genesis idea and basically "open sourced" it.

i didn't mean anything derogatory (i had to google to check the spelling of that  :P) by saying copycats - but they are very very good at cloning things and making them cheaper. in fact i saw someone on ukvapers say something like he'd buy one of these and then if he liked it he'd then buy one of the "real ones"!!! i'm really not sure what doesn't make something that comes out of china as "real" as anywhere else, especially in the case of something like this atty.
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: zestoi on October 25, 2012, 12:08:26 PM
again, another reasonable looking interpretation ... i think i like those too, but i prefer the looks of the first one.

me too actually though the second one is available now and is temptingly in my shopping basket. just trying to work out what the postage may be.
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: Fiona on October 25, 2012, 12:10:18 PM
I like the look of the second one....It looks a bit like a bee hive... ;D
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: itsmeitis on October 25, 2012, 12:14:11 PM
i didn't mean anything derogatory

absolutely bud nor taken as so ... my comment wasn't aimed toward you ... my comment is meant directly toward all those choosing to become snobs in order to forget the origin of all we have now ...

i do also understand why people would object to direct copies of hard worked upon design and craftsmanship too, but aside from batteries and the one atomiser copied by a European, i have yet to see any evidence it really exists.
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: zestoi on October 25, 2012, 12:31:02 PM
I like the look of the second one....It looks a bit like a bee hive... ;D

yup! it does quite a bit really :) that site has a few cheap genesis style atties... wish maybe i hadn't ordered the one from vapingthings yesterday now. i may also grab a "rex mini" that looks quite neat, postage all in only comes to 8quid. http://www.vapor-freak.de/Rex-Mini (http://www.vapor-freak.de/Rex-Mini)


absolutely bud nor taken as so ... my comment wasn't aimed toward you ... my comment is meant directly toward all those choosing to become snobs in order to forget the origin of all we have now ...

cool, cheers ;) i remember reading (and just had to recheck now lol) that it had been invented in china in 2000 and by 2004 they had put a product to market. i was blown away when i read that originally... given all i had read about previously was some ciggie-like products a year or two ago.

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i do also understand why people would object to direct copies of hard worked upon design and craftsmanship too, but aside from batteries and the one atomiser copied by a European, i have yet to see any evidence it really exists.

i guess with atomizers, unless someone literally creates a mold from an existing one, there's only so many different techniques/methods to vapourise the liquid and hold it in a tank/reservoir. they all seem like different interpretations of that to me, with a bit of originality sprinkled here and there. though the generis style was quite a game changer i guess and cisco's spec must have taken some real research and work. it does seem odd to me though how two devices that seem to use the same kind of methods can produce such a totally different vaping experience (going by reviews etc on youtube)
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: andym on October 25, 2012, 08:03:06 PM
i'm looking to try a genesis style too, so just ordered a cheapo one from vapingthings but then.... saw this mentioned on ukvapers. going for about 10usd a pop, all (?) food grade stainless steel and going to be stocked by a uk supplier soon for less than 20quid. seems too good to be true. seems the chinese copycats are starting to copy using decent materials.

I have 3 of these babies on Order,shouldnt be too long till i get them,£35 all in for all 3!That was via the AAEc site on a group buy.

Tigger,i think it was just getting the thing "bedded in",its far better now,but i have noticed some stress cracks around the top of the tank,i think its caused by the top metal part expanding due to the heat created by the wire,it does get quite hot when vaping.Its not leaking and i have a spare so im not too bothered.
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: zestoi on October 25, 2012, 08:26:55 PM
I have 3 of these babies on Order,shouldnt be too long till i get them,£35 all in for all 3!That was via the AAEc site on a group buy.

damn! that's not bqd  :D i haven't even posted on any other vaping forums yet - so i suspect i wouldn't be able to get in on any coop type deals anyway.  just googled AAEc... i'll have to sign up there maybe. interesting colour layout tho  :P
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: andym on October 25, 2012, 08:32:46 PM
I think the COOP buyin has now closed,but i am sure there will be another,obviously if i dont get on with them they will be for grabs.
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: zestoi on October 25, 2012, 10:29:32 PM
how do the coop's work? everyone pays one person who then places the order and sends them out in the uk to each member of the coop? if so i hope they get a bunch of free atties for the hassle etc  :P i hadn't heard of coop buying before looking at vaping forums.
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: andym on October 26, 2012, 03:51:04 PM
how do the coop's work? everyone pays one person who then places the order and sends them out in the uk to each member of the coop? if so i hope they get a bunch of free atties for the hassle etc  :P i hadn't heard of coop buying before looking at vaping forums.

They open up a thread for "registering interest",then they approach the vendor and haggle for the best price.Then once the price was fixed they set the buying thread up,after a set time they tally it all up,add the P&P,VAT etc and come out with a unit price,thats then ordered,and you pay the person ordering them.They are doing one for Mesh and wire and spares as well.So you get the benfit of discounts for bulk buys.
Title: Re: Looking to genesize!
Post by: zestoi on October 26, 2012, 03:57:24 PM
They open up a thread for "registering interest",then they approach the vendor and haggle for the best price.Then once the price was fixed they set the buying thread up,after a set time they tally it all up,add the P&P,VAT etc and come out with a unit price,thats then ordered,and you pay the person ordering them.They are doing one for Mesh and wire and spares as well.So you get the benfit of discounts for bulk buys.

cheers - quite an interesting idea. i'll have to keep a look out on that site u mentioned before. i've read i'd need to post a certain number of posts and then get approved or something if i wanted to even see the sales/coop section on the ECF and while i have signed up there i haven't posted at all. in fact i haven't posted on any other vaping forums at all so far...