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Title: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 20, 2013, 01:03:39 PM
"Its harder than you think" said my Dad, 40 years of engineering experience.....

"Dad, seriously, it cant be that hard" - famous last words.

I've wanted a lathe for a while, for various things from making watch cases to ecigs, so it arrived and ive managed to make a tube. It took 3 hours and a lot of sweat. Yep, thats right 3 hours to get it right.

So now i have my tube, thats all i have so far, a tube. Wow i cant get over how hard it is to get things so right, and i mean right, im a bit of a perfectionist dont get me wrong, but really?! lol So for any budding "machine operator wanna-be" by all means have a go, but get ready to travel up a VERY LONG learning curve.

Anyway, onwards and upwards! Ill post progress as i go and see what comes out at the end, my intention is to make a simple, bottom button tube mod out of ally (for now) i will make it out of SS once i have some more knowledge and experience, but for the time being Aluminium is fine....its easier by all accounts than SS LOL

:)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: squid on June 20, 2013, 01:11:10 PM
"Its harder than you think" said my Dad, 40 years of engineering experience.....

"Dad, seriously, it cant be that hard" - famous last words.

I've wanted a lathe for a while, for various things from making watch cases to ecigs, so it arrived and ive managed to make a tube. It took 3 hours and a lot of sweat. Yep, thats right 3 hours to get it right.

So now i have my tube, thats all i have so far, a tube. Wow i cant get over how hard it is to get things so right, and i mean right, im a bit of a perfectionist dont get me wrong, but really?! lol So for any budding "machine operator wanna-be" by all means have a go, but get ready to travel up a VERY LONG learning curve.

Anyway, onwards and upwards! Ill post progress as i go and see what comes out at the end, my intention is to make a simple, bottom button tube mod out of ally (for now) i will make it out of SS once i have some more knowledge and experience, but for the time being Aluminium is fine....its easier by all accounts than SS LOL

:)


you will find out 90% of mods are produced on cnc lathes rather than hand turned, cnc is computer operated which takes the human errors out of the situation and in a double quick time
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Capt12B on June 20, 2013, 01:16:59 PM
Look forward to seeing your progress ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on June 20, 2013, 01:30:45 PM
 I look forward to hearing your views when you move onto SS.. lol

 When you say you've made a tube, what did you start with ?  solid bar or tube to begin with ?

 It's relatively easy to start with a tube thicker than what you need and turn it to your needs is the reason i am asking. Everything takes a lot of time though on the lathe I agree.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 20, 2013, 01:44:45 PM
Started with a solid bar, i couldnt find anything local that would suit an 18350 so turned my own, which turned out really well, then discovered that the jaws in the chuck will mark aluminium very easily, lesson learnt there (learnt a lot of lessons over the last 2 days!) lol

Oh and before anything else, i have to reiterate a few things to anyone with the same idea :

1) A lathe, no matter how small is not a toy
2) NEVER EVER LEAVE CHUCK KEY IN CHUCK
3) Always wear goggles
4) Dont wear baggy clothes or gloves
and finally...
5) NEVER EVER LEAVE CHUCK KEY IN CHUCK

I like the idea of mass produced stuff, that works, but i want something totally unique with my stamp on it lol :)

The problem you have in making it unique, is that its still a tube....lol Ill take some snaps later on once ive done a bit more, and yeah ive been warned about SS lol my dad said "its f*****g awful to work with" in the sense of its very difficult to cut. Anyways, like i said, onward and upward! Nothing like a good challenge to keep you on ya toes! :)

Ive never been a hands on guy and kind of jumped in head first, im creative and have enjoyed myself so far (which is what this is about more than anything) wether or not it turns out a thing of beauty or not is a different matter! :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: SC_Sammy on June 20, 2013, 02:02:09 PM
Great post! Keep us informed.  I too, would like to make my own mod. and your experiences will be extremely helpful.
What's that about the Chuck Key again?  ;)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 20, 2013, 04:50:52 PM
Bit of WIP (dont laugh) Its hard work you know!

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 20, 2013, 04:51:44 PM
And a few more (just an idea btw)

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: stevemontuno on June 20, 2013, 05:19:39 PM
Started with a solid bar, i couldnt find anything local that would suit an 18350 so turned my own, which turned out really well, then discovered that the jaws in the chuck will mark aluminium very easily, lesson learnt there (learnt a lot of lessons over the last 2 days!) lol

collet chuck  ;)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 20, 2013, 05:45:00 PM
Oh its on the list with a handful of other bits and pieces, think it'll be the most expensive mod ive owned!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on June 20, 2013, 06:07:21 PM
a piece of paper works well wrapped around the bar in the chuck I have found, better than tape or anything else.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 20, 2013, 07:30:42 PM
Thanks Mev ill be sure to give it a go! :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on June 20, 2013, 07:40:50 PM
here a link to Mr Pete his videos will help you alot.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKLIIdKEpjAnn8E76KP7sQg (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKLIIdKEpjAnn8E76KP7sQg)

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It took 3 hours and a lot of sweat. Yep, thats right 3 hours to get it right.
if your new to the lathe its good to go slow my friend.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on June 20, 2013, 07:58:36 PM
 I've been subscribed to MrPete for a while now and picked up some handy tips along the way and just watching someone else work gives you a feel for it..
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on June 20, 2013, 08:01:18 PM
indeed his videos are Grrrr8 in my book ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 20, 2013, 08:01:50 PM
Thanks guys for the replies :) Ill get some more pics up as soon as i progress a little more, i made a bottom button, but hate it lol so errr, yeah like i said, this is all a learning curve, i had some dimensions to work from, but thats it, as for design, im making as i go really! So this is a great excercise to see a) what works and b) what looks good.

I wanted something simple, clean, a mix of black/brass, so yeah, we'll see how that pans out!

I have a few bottom button mechanical mods, and the one thing ive noticed is a wobbly bottom button, lol so thats 1 thing i want to avoid, and also, the travel on the buttom, for example i have a cube and the travel on the button to get it to fire is crazy (albeit im using flat top 18350's but even with a button top its still quite a press!)

Also noticed that with "wind out" buttons, they tend to have lots of movement on the stem, so again, something ill try and address. Basically i think the whole idea came from wanting something that is tailored to me...which would have cost me the same in labour as it has to buy my own stuff and make a hobby out of it :)

PS > Edit > Ive got a night planned watching videos now!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: DirkDampf on June 20, 2013, 10:41:30 PM
When you turn the first side grip the bar in hard jaws. When you turn the second side of you tube grip in soft jaws and bore these out to the turned diameter of your tube before. This won't crush or mark it.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 22, 2013, 08:33:31 PM
Bit of an update, i scrapped the original idea of an 18350 and opted for a 14500 mod instead, mainly due to taps/threads and having a "smaller/thinner" mod than an 18350.

Anyway, attached are some images, im using phosphor bronze instead of brass, just due to machining ability, finish and durability as opposed to brass. Plus, on a side note, it was free! :) Even better.

Anyway, ive managed to machine the main tube body, bottom cap plus a decorative ring, images below. Being honest, its hard, but really enjoyable and a bigger challenge than i thought it would be! But i like to think im getting there now and starting to "see" something coming together, waiting for some taps/dies to arrive which should be here Monday, at which point i can start putting things together and move onto making the "button" mechanism itself!

LESSON LEARNT - Dont rush, cutting 0.1mm over will ruin a snug finish and mean starting the piece again. Took 3 attempts to learn this, and on the 3rd attempt i was furious, and losing patience, so it was a case of spending a LONG time, slowly but surely turning the inner diameter down, .08mm (0.003" for the "old school") at a time! (took a while but got the fit i wanted eventually!)

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on June 23, 2013, 12:45:59 AM
looking good mate, fozzy finishes really well and nice to work with and it polishes up very well, as a bonus it's a good electrical conductor too. I've recently been making some top caps and bottom caps using it.
 As for taking off too much material, it's best to work down the amount, so lets say you had 1.0mm to take off do it in 3 passes, 0.6 on the first then 0.3 leaving the small 0.1 finish cut, double checking your measurements as you do. These measurements are just for arguments sake but I think you know what i mean.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on June 23, 2013, 03:30:48 AM
eddy what lathe is that?
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 23, 2013, 06:42:48 AM
Its a model makers lathe (classed as a bench top as opposed to a "mini") i got it from Amadeal in London, AMA210VG is the model number. For what its worth, not having used many lathes, it performs pretty well, dont get me wrong its nothing compared to a big machine, but does the job and is pretty accurate (for what i need anyway)

Mev thanks for the tips, im learning slowly and finding that this time round (attempt #2) its a lot easier and my finishing is a lot better. Fozzy bronze is nice and does finish a lot nicer than brass IMO, cant wait to get it all polished up!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on June 23, 2013, 07:25:09 AM
maybe look into getting a 5C Collet Kit they cost alot but they hold stuff without digging into to it or marking the parts up. and you can set a stop at the back of the collet for repeat cuts.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on June 23, 2013, 07:39:07 AM
i googled that lathe very nice indeed mate. i got a smithy Midas 1220 LTD 3-in-1 not long ago but im still working on getting the shop done before i can set it up. i hope to have it done before next weekend so i can start making my atomizer.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: DirkDampf on June 23, 2013, 09:01:40 AM
Thats good work for a start eddy. Start slowly and it will get better and better. Soon you will be able to cut threads in SS  with a turning tool. Its a loooong learning curve. I've been doing this for 27 years and I'm still learning.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 23, 2013, 09:15:26 AM
Thanks for the replies and suggestions guys, will be looking into gettin a collet chuck asap (as soon as funds allow)

In the meantime, ill concentrate on honing some skills lol its thread cutting that im a little aprehensive of to be fair! :) But, i guess its a skill that is needed when making mods and such! :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: DirkDampf on June 23, 2013, 09:42:31 AM
What turning tools do you turn with eddy ? Do you use tools with changeable inserts or do you grind your turning tools ?
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on June 23, 2013, 10:16:39 AM
Blown away by this. Really admirable that you've managed to do it. Maybe get it etched after - #0001  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXRaFFc9CiM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXRaFFc9CiM#)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 23, 2013, 11:12:40 AM
Thankyou! :) Ill be getting it engraved for sure, got a nice logo/brand in mind :)

DirkDampf > At the moment im using insert tools, Carbide tips, now correct me if im wrong, but i read/heard that HSS will give a nicer finish? But i guess it depends what you're turning?

I have a parting tool that i grind myself, but my main turning tools are insert type :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on June 23, 2013, 11:51:38 AM
 I think you'll love the fozzy once you've polished it mate, I much prefer it over Brass. It comes up like Gold.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: DirkDampf on June 23, 2013, 11:52:27 AM
It tells you on the package of the inserts what you can turn with it but more importantly it tells you the correct cutting speeds to use for each material. HSS is ok even to cut Titanium with. But you will have to grind HSS tools yourself as they usually come as squre bars.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on June 23, 2013, 04:10:03 PM
 I do prefer HSS myself as I have the means to grind them myself and sharpen them, I don't have the tools to grind carbon tips so if they chip or blunt they're done for me. I do think you get a better finish with HSS and a slight radius to the cutter too.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 23, 2013, 04:36:59 PM
In the future i think Im going to invest in some HSS more so for the finish. Ive only had carbide inserts and never used HSS other than on my parting tool, which i have to be honest, i struggle with a bit, not sure if its technique, my machine or my tool. People says parting off is a bit of a "black art"....comes with practice i guess.

So, ive just spent a few hours making a "button" for my bottom cap.

Turned out great, i turned it with the face of the button out so i could get a nice finish on it with the stem running back to the chuck (see image).

Problem 1 > Stem isnt long enough, user error my fault.
Problem 2 > Parted off, let a "nub" as the parting tool wasnt central (user error) so tried to take this off by putting the part back in the chuck which only led to it coming out. Stupid, wont do it again*.
Problem 3 > Recess in bottom cap isnt deep enough to take a good length of travel for button, so either a) Will remake that part or b) machine the part out a bit more.

I guess once i have everything right, repeating the process will be easy, my drawings didnt work out to well other than general dimensions and ideas, but a lot has changed as ive gone on making various bits and pieces, it just keeps getting more and more complex! LOL but making easy piece is getting easier and easier now im getting comfy with it all :) *this does not mean i get the parts right though!*

Also made a brass drip tip for a change of pace, which works great, bit of a VERY snug fit on my tank but works well :) Also added a picture of the man den, could do with being "spruced up a bit" needs a feminine touch i think, ill get the Mrs to go in there at some point! lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on June 23, 2013, 05:01:27 PM
 Mate it's looking really good so far, as you say it'll get easy with practice.

 With parting tools the thing I learnt first is have your tool as short as possible in the tool post, I know this applies to all cutters really but i've found with my lathe and tools it works a damn sight better the shorter I can make it for parting off.
I've found there's a sweet spot too with the speed, work out your speeds for the metal you're using as normal but with my variable speed lathe I've found slight adjustments in the speed can make a big difference from the stated speeds.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 23, 2013, 06:00:57 PM
Excellent thanks Mev, ill be sure to try that, i tend to have my parting tool out a fair bit, which i know i shouldnt really so will deffinately be giving it a go! :) Also ill try a few different speeds, ive heard that slower = better, but i worry that my motor wont have the torque to keep up and part it off, hence the faster speeds, i usually turn about 6-700rpm which is a good speed for Ally/Brass ive found *checked Gradstudent and for 1" Ally its 700rpm* so not far off :) it just feels right.

Anyways, moving on! Managed to turn out the recess for the button without problem, now works a treat and have plenty of travel for the button itself, also made a delrin/acetol insulator ring for the button, just waiting for an m8x1.25 die to arrive (which i just ordered) so i can cut the thread for the insulator. (image below).

Started on the top cap, and i have to be honest its started out 100x better than the bottom cap finished, so, in reality i can see that bottom cap being re-done lol. Ive only turned the OD and started the thread section ready for a thread cut (again, awaiting a die for this). But all in all, very pleased so far, learnt from lots of mistakes and feel ill remember these when i come to do it "for real" :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on June 23, 2013, 06:36:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82LtUTBmxwQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82LtUTBmxwQ#ws)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on June 24, 2013, 06:29:37 AM
all i can say about this is Wow.


274—Nano Bee, "World’s Smallest Diesel Engine," built by Chris Hans Valentine and Ronald Valentine, FL, 2011
Ronald Valentine’s goal is to build the smallest operational diesel engine in the world. His Nano Bee measures merely 7/8 of an inch long with a bore and stroke of only 2mm adding up to a total displacement of only .006cc or .00037 cu in. Under Ron’s guidance Chris Valentine exhibited great skill in his machining techniques as he produced this Nano Bee. He machined it completely from aluminum and steel bar stock with some tolerances held to one ten-thousandth of an inch (1/10,000" or 0.0001"). The engine will spin a 1-1/4 x 1 inch aluminum propeller up to 12,800 revolutions per minute.     
Courtesy of Chris Hans Valentine, Ronald Valentine
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 24, 2013, 09:24:06 AM
Thats just crazy, just youtubed it, and you can see some running videos of small V8-V12 engines (not sure if they're the same one(s)) but still, an engineering feat to admire! I can only imagine how long and how much patience that would take to keep those sort of tolerances! :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 24, 2013, 06:06:44 PM
Spent the day working on the top cap, made an insulation ring for where the batter meets the cap and recessed this for a nicer finish. Made a hole in the middle and a brass "pin" for the contact. Fits nice and snug im happy to say, and the more i look at the bottom cap, the less happy i am with it, think i will redo it with a bit more time/effort/patience put into it! :)

Awaiting an M7x0.5 tap (please correct me if im wrong but thats the size for a 510 connector right?! lol) once i get that i can tap the 510 connector :)

Pics!

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on June 24, 2013, 06:41:01 PM
 Yes the 510 is M7x0.5 mate...   Personally I thread the cap right through then thread the insulator too.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 24, 2013, 09:31:48 PM
Excellent thanks Mev! Thought i may have wasted a few quid then so had to check! :)

Right, one very nearly finished Top cap! :) Gave it a quick once over whilst on the lathe with some 1200grit W&D and came up quite nice, cant wait to get a bench polisher and some polish on it! :)

The Fozzy ring got made twice as the 1st one was way too loose and wasnt happy with it. Im surprised at how long its taking to be honest, i thought it was going to be a quick job! But, by hand its all the finer details that make the piece :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 26, 2013, 02:05:31 PM
Managed to get everything screwed together, at least the 2 caps + body.

Managed to get a few dings in it along the way, so a bit pissed about that really, but hey ho, its my first go.....so got myself a small polishing wheel and some polish and gave it a quick spin, came up ok for a first go i think :)

Just waiting on a few more taps/dies and ill get it together, if it works, i get to remake it all over again and make sure i dont ding it! :)

Im happy with it though i have to be honest!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Jimblob on June 26, 2013, 04:05:19 PM
Very pretty Ed.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ukric on June 26, 2013, 04:34:35 PM
Ooooh
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ukric on June 26, 2013, 04:35:28 PM
How much do you reckon it's cost you to make?
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 26, 2013, 04:40:04 PM
thanks guys :) i take the ooooh as a compliment lol

Cost wise, hmm a lot....lol over £1000 so far i think (thats with lathe/tools and materials)

BUT....lathe/tools aside, material wise, its cost me about £27, but, if i was good and didnt waste as much as i have, it would be half that at least, so pretty cheap in materials, time wise, now im a little more confident, i could knock this up in a day tops :)

Few more pics of the other end now it has a matching ring and a button (which isnt finished, but i like to keep things updated) :)

The more i look at it, the more i want to do with it, lol im a bit dissapointed with the overall outcome, the design and the way its put together works well IMO, but the finish, ie. the knocks/bangs/dings and scratches im not pleased with (obviously) so i think once i finish this one, it'll be onto another version that i wrap in bubble wrap for the whole process! LOL :)

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ukric on June 26, 2013, 04:41:38 PM
Make some more. Send one to Scott. Groupbuy @ £30 ? :) hehe (cheeky i know) :-)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 26, 2013, 04:48:08 PM
LOL i wish i had the time to bang these out! :)

Ill do one, for real, get it finished in the design and style i intended it be to, then if anyone wants one, im sure i could knock one up :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on June 26, 2013, 05:03:39 PM
 I think it's looking great so far mate, the fact you've only just got a lathe and it's you first attempt is impressive.

 Might be worth you using some bar to practice finishing on with different cutters and different speeds rather than doing your practice on the mod/s you're working on, just until you find what works best.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ukric on June 26, 2013, 05:03:54 PM
damn there's no like button.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: itsmeitis on June 26, 2013, 05:52:25 PM
damn there's no like button.

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Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 26, 2013, 05:52:56 PM
Yeah i think im going to invest in some "materials" this week, ie. Sh*t loads lol

My spindle bore is only 21mm so struggle to get anything through it. This Battery mod has turned out @ 20.85mm (if you're wondering about i added a bit extra as i was unsure about the depth of cut on the threads, now i know better, it'll be thinner next time!)

My original stock was 25mm diameter which got turned down to 21mm ish, so, i think in future ill buy some 22/20mm stock instead and save having to lose 1/2" every time as thats what sits in the chuck!

So yeah, ive learnt a lot in the past week, and the outcome has been pretty good i think for a first go, and hopefully my 2nd attempt will be a little more pleasing to the eye and have an atomiser to match it :)

PS > Thanks for kind comments/likes! :)

Attention Scott > We need a like button lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Jimblob on June 26, 2013, 05:52:57 PM
Bloody hell, them last pics look well sweet. I think you should send me one to test :P
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 26, 2013, 05:54:20 PM
LOL Thanks Jim, ill get one finished first and we'll go from there! :) Im going to collect some stock end of week so will have it done for monday hopefully! :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Jimblob on June 26, 2013, 05:58:53 PM
We spit on the Caravella, we have our own Ed :P
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 26, 2013, 06:01:33 PM
LOL Funny, it was the caravella that inspired me, i love a mix of materials and found Brass/SS was lovely, so i went with Ally/Phosphor Bronze this time round, will change the Ally to SS once i am a little more honed in my skills! :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Jimblob on June 26, 2013, 06:03:41 PM
Well don't get too good, we don't have endless funds :P
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 26, 2013, 07:26:52 PM
Ooo ill try not to! :) lol

Its just a shame when nice mods like the Caravella come out, you dont get long to get hold of one, and when you do, they cost an arm and a leg......so err, ill make something similar i guess, or at least have a bloody good go! :)

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Jimblob on June 26, 2013, 07:29:21 PM
Ooo ill try not to! :) lol

Its just a shame when nice mods like the Caravella come out, you dont get long to get hold of one, and when you do, they cost an arm and a leg......so err, ill make something similar i guess, or at least have a bloody good go! :)

Not trying to blow smoke up your arse. You are certainly on your way.

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Jimblob on June 26, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
Well the blob would be willing to do a vid. There is some incentive right there, lol.

Get that out of your hand you dirty sod :D

Joking aside, I'd have one. Let us know when. Best off nearer the first of the month, lol.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 26, 2013, 08:57:52 PM
LOL Thanks Jim, like i said, ive got a lot of "decorative" plans for it....so let me get one finished and if anyone is interested, id be happy to put one together, on the proviso that "time" isnt that limited, but its not a few hour affair :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on June 26, 2013, 09:14:32 PM
It's a great thread this one, been enjoying seeing how it's developed. Great work. I think I'd buy one just cos I've followed the first one being born!  :D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 26, 2013, 09:22:24 PM
Ilegal > Not sure how to take that, LOL (jk) id rather you said "id buy one cause it'll be the dogs when its finished!" lol :)

Although i do see your point, like i said, ill get something done and dusted for early next week, take loads of pics of the process and the finished product, i have an Atomiser in mind as well to go with it, so ill work on that next week. So far so good though! :)

Thanks again
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Dogtags82 on June 27, 2013, 11:20:55 AM
looking good eddy.
seriously I am blown away at the standard of skills on this forum. Is this what vaping does to people? can I look forward to maybe developing some new super power after a few months of vaping lol
following your progress with interest, keep us in the loop please eddy.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on June 27, 2013, 01:30:45 PM
 Yes vaping as a side effect of you gaining special powers....

 Unfortunately for most of us this special power is the ability to spend super fast on vaping gear while being able to block out the costs and hide bank statements from the other half.. 
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 27, 2013, 01:46:06 PM
I agree with Mev...totally....if my other half knew just how much id spent she'd go mad....or at least question my mental ability.

Anyway, i started another one this morning after finding a few flaws in my 1st model, mainly being, the button stem wasnt long enough and the main body was scratched and dented through rough handling and trying to get finished bits back in the chuck etc and so forth, so started it again this morning with the intention of a) having a working piece by end of weekend and b) having a finished piece that is flawless in the finish. So far so good, i have a 1/2 finished top cap.

See image. Just a bit of a collage of WIP on the top cap.

Trying to source bits and pieces is the hardest part lol im struggling with O-Rings at the moment, finding the size i need is near impossible, in the colour i wanted anyway! So if anyone knows of a good supplier of clear/white orings, please let me know, alternatively, ill have to get some made, which is proving a costly affair to say the least! In the UK one company quoted me £1.14 + VAT for each O-Ring with a minimum of 150 pieces, i dont think id ever use 150 O-Rings in my life. And if i did, i would have be abusing them. So thats the next challenge, finding or getting O-Rings made, ive managed to source some Quartz Glass and also some Borosilicate Glass tubing which is being cut/ground/polished for me, so thats that bit sorted!


Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ukric on June 27, 2013, 02:09:35 PM
What size o ring? I'm confident we'll be able to source
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 27, 2013, 02:42:00 PM
Inner diameter - 14mm
Outer Diamter - 16mm

Giving it a Cross Section of 1mm

In white would be nice, otherwise, black will have to do lol :)


Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on June 27, 2013, 05:46:23 PM
 I use this ebay seller for most of mine http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/METRIC-VITON-75-HIGH-TEMP-O-RINGS-CROSS-SECTION-1MM-SIZES-2MM-ID-35MM-ID-/221133290929 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/METRIC-VITON-75-HIGH-TEMP-O-RINGS-CROSS-SECTION-1MM-SIZES-2MM-ID-35MM-ID-/221133290929)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 28, 2013, 01:35:16 PM
Thanks Mev ive ordered a few pieces just to get me going until i find some white ones! :)

Ok, so i ran out of stock yesterday and had nothing to do all day other than real work....was a crap day. But none the less got upto date!

So, i got some material this morning and set out on making a new one, all's good, went smoothly without a hitch and managed to keep it all in one piece without trashing it with knocks/dings! :) Result.

Put together a bit of a slide show of the part being made, gotta nip out and get some scotchbrite, whats peoples preference on finish? Polished? Brushed? Machined? :)

Also, some stills. Went with a 20mm diameter to match the quartz glass tank on the atomiser (to be), kept all the edges squared off, means they are a little sharp, but not sharp enough to cause pain/damage/cut, it just gives it a nice overall "squared off" look instead of rounded edges, which personally, i think look cack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpVZeKL239M#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpVZeKL239M#ws)


Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 28, 2013, 06:57:48 PM
Some more bits for you guys to look at :)

Bit of a change in design, hopefully for the better!

This is the bottom cap, need to make a button, decided instead of thin button, going to make a "cylindrical" shaped button to give more stabilty when you press it, as silly as it sounds, wobbly buttons P*ss me off. So hopefully having something a little substantial in there will alleviate this! :)

Im still waiting for 1 die before i can finish off the bottom button, but hopefully in the next images you'll get the idea a little better :)

Thanks for watching
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Cerberus on June 29, 2013, 12:05:58 AM
That's looking really really good.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on June 29, 2013, 03:48:07 AM
looking good mate
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: nerdyvaper on June 29, 2013, 04:01:41 AM
Keep it up mate.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 29, 2013, 06:56:02 AM
Excellent thanks guys! :)

Today plan, crack the button! Im being a little pedantic over the button, it has to be right, i cant have a sh*t button lol its what makes a device IMO. So, im going to try and make a sensitive button, small amount of travel, light to press (since its a bottom button), as little movement as possible without having it stick/jam or be hard to press. Thats the plan anyway. Ill also make the top cap to as my other die *SHOULD* be here today.

So hopefully, ill have a somewhat working mod toward the end of the day, then its just a case of getting a battery for it, making some vent holes, which....ive not planned yet so no idea what/where to put them!

Ill take some more pictures as i work on each piece and post them up as and when i take a break. Got a hole day to myself today as the Mrs is working, so its music on, vape in hand along with a Galaxy caramel, microwave pizza and a bottle of pepsi, oh yes....dont be fooled! I know how to "live it up!"
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on June 29, 2013, 11:00:17 AM
Living the dream Eddy....... lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 29, 2013, 11:10:40 AM
LOL something like that Mev, im known to be a bit "racey" from time to time, but i have to be honest im a little annoyed *RANT ON*

I purchased 2 items from ebay late Thursday night :

1 x 1" die stock holder - £5.95 FREE P&P
1 x  DTI on a magnetic base £39.99 + £5.50 P&P

Guess which didnt turn up today? lol i dont see what i paid £5.50 for, they had 2 delivery options, option 1 was £2.50 P&P or pay £5.50 for an imaginary "EXPRESS SERVICE" basically, i paid extra for nothing (im not arguing about the money, its not that thats annoyed it) its offering an "EXPRESS SERVICE" that doesnt compete with FREE P&P LOL, when FREE P&P Is a quicker service, yet i paid £5.50 for a slower service, well you get my point.

Anyway, the items i could have done with havent arrived, but im going to crack on and see what i can get done, done :)

*RANT OFF*
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 29, 2013, 02:04:38 PM
Another picture, a 1/2 finished top cap, need to make the ring for it, get that on, then i need to tackle the button of doom. Racking my brain a little about it, got a feeling my calculations are off a little lol will report back later once ive had a fiddle with it! :)

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on June 29, 2013, 02:41:53 PM
what diameter is it ?  it looks dinky or you've got giant hands lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 29, 2013, 02:53:49 PM
GIANT HANDS!!!

lol jk its 20mm OD, not sure how obscure that is in the world of ecig mods! :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 29, 2013, 04:59:17 PM
Not the best of images but you get the idea :)

Just need to polish that ring, brush the rest of it, and do the button :)

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 29, 2013, 05:06:41 PM
Another image with a cart stuck on it for size comparison :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: funkybunch on June 29, 2013, 05:11:21 PM
Looks excellent :D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 29, 2013, 05:13:06 PM
Thanks Funky :) I Just need to make an atomiser now.....LOL :)

I can see this escalating quickly and becoming an obsession already!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Capt12B on June 29, 2013, 05:19:26 PM
I am enjoying watching your progress, it's really looking sharp 8)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 29, 2013, 05:28:13 PM
Thanks Capt, its just a case of getting it to work now! LOL

I think making it was the easy part, but getting it to fire up is a different matter! (again, i could be over complicating it a bit)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 29, 2013, 06:16:28 PM
Well the good news is, upon first test, it LIVES!

I dont have a 14500 though so used an AA instead (yeah go on, say its dangerous! lol)

Anyways, upon depressing the button it read a massive 1.2V (which is what the battery is rated at) will do a few more tests and see if there are any losses later on. For now, im going to get a steak with the Mrs for tea! lol

I then need to mill out some "finger slots" so you can actually press the button. Then wrap it up, and put it to one side whilst i work on an atomiser, which, again, ill post pictures and updates here! :)

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on June 29, 2013, 06:22:35 PM
Thanks for keeping posting your progress eddy, it's really interesting!  :D

Where will the vent holes go (assuming it's going to have them/it)?
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 29, 2013, 06:42:32 PM
Hi Ilegal, yes thats also on the list of to do (and thanks for following! :) )

I was going to put 3 vent holes vertically up the one side of the tube/body itself. Not seen this before so thought it would be different as i wanted to keep the button solid as one piece and didnt want to drill it out, ALTHOUGH, this is still an option! :)

Not sure how id go about drilling the holes in the tube without the bit deflecting off the body, so it remains to be decided yet! (Im sure a seasoned engineer would find that easier than i would!)

:) Thanks again
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on June 29, 2013, 10:51:28 PM
if you haven't got a drill press use a center punch before drilling. ;)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 29, 2013, 11:04:08 PM
Got a drill press so hopefully that'll do the job! :)

Will find out in the morning :D lol ill be brave and just gun it! lol (jk)

I cant seem to find scotchbrite pads anywhere lol tried B&Q local hardware shop, Screwfix, cant find any, think a scourer would do the same job? :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: tripodbeatz on June 30, 2013, 03:18:15 AM
here ya go buddy this might help for the scotch brite pads

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mirka-Mirlon-Scotch-Brite-Red-Very-Fine-20-Hand-Pads-/130485005457?pt=UK_Body_Shop_Supplies_Paint&hash=item1e61832c91 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mirka-Mirlon-Scotch-Brite-Red-Very-Fine-20-Hand-Pads-/130485005457?pt=UK_Body_Shop_Supplies_Paint&hash=item1e61832c91)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on June 30, 2013, 07:21:37 AM
Ed you made that a 14500? what is the OD on that mod?
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 30, 2013, 07:33:49 AM
20mm Rocc, you sound surprised?
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on June 30, 2013, 07:45:38 AM
hmm why would you go that big for a 14500?
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 30, 2013, 07:51:06 AM
Well to be perfectly honest, not entirely sure and will probably lose a mm or 2 on the final run in SS.

BUT, for purposes of this one lol in Ally it works out pretty well because a) Ally is soft and light and b) I used a BIG tap (m16x1) and didnt want to lose structure on the walls of the mod top/bottom.

But, i guess i could go a little thinner could i? :) 14.5mm ID for the tube, 1mm for the threads then 1mm for the wall giving a grand total of..... 16.5mm? BUT, then would the atomiser be too small to actually have any volume in the tank? And would i get Glass to fit? :) Lots to think about i guess
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on June 30, 2013, 07:58:34 AM
hey its all good mate anything is good for your first go. and yes at 20mm just about all atomisers will fit nice. if you want to make it smaller maybe go for a good fit for like a DID or mini DID.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 30, 2013, 08:01:23 AM
Yeah just looked at the DID, thats 20mm and pretty small by all accounts, i know there is a smaller Genesis out there, cant remember the name of it though, but 20mm is looking like a good number at the moment :) Will make a start on the atomiser today and see how it turns out, never know, it could be great! Then again, could be awful LOL :)

Not sure if my lathe would be upto turning SS though....something ill have to ponder over a bit i think! :) Im hoping it is lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on June 30, 2013, 08:02:44 AM
jump into chat if you like im in there right now
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 30, 2013, 08:06:38 AM
Just about to walk the dog Rocc, ill be back shortly though! :D (thanks for the offer and i will take you up on it again!)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on June 30, 2013, 08:08:34 AM
ok Ed have fun walking your dog i will be back into chat later tonight about 10pm your time
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on June 30, 2013, 08:24:20 PM
Biting the bullet on SS....

So i spent most of my dad pondering about Ally vs SS...and came to the conclusion of using both.

Ally is so nice/easy to machine and im confident in using it, but i dont feel right using it with eliquid as the speculation against toxicity would be questioned, either via users or my own irrasional mind!

So im off to get some 304 grade SS in the morning and going to have a go at machining it. Im initially going to make the interior (liquid containing) parts for the atomiser with it, and see how i get on, so the outer centre post + top/bottom ends, the top cap itself will be a mix of Phosphor bronze + Ally (to keep in line with the mod itself for the time being, all brushed). The centre pin itself will be brass, as will all connecting parts (throughout the mod as well).

I have a glass tank here, 20mm OD 16mm ID and also have some orings in various sizes, so hopefully will be able to get something together.

QUESTION!

Q. Do i get 20mm OD SS Bar and just brush it, OR do i get 25mm SS bar and turn it down to 20mm? LOL I love the 1st idea and hope that it will be viable, else ill have a rod of 20mm SS kicking around!

All the best! :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 01, 2013, 01:19:45 AM
go bigger on the bars so you can clean them up. it not a good idea to get the same size your going to end up with. you will end up with marks and things you can't buff away.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 01, 2013, 06:50:16 AM
Good point Rocc thanks! :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 01, 2013, 10:42:12 AM
Stainless Steel....pah easy! :)

Well pleased, lathe handles it well, upon my first cuts at least! Im off to make an atomiser....back in a bit! :D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: igetcha on July 01, 2013, 11:20:19 AM
Why 20mm? Most atties that look good on mods are 22mm these days (as are the mods) and give you that nice hybrid look :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 01, 2013, 02:13:45 PM
Hi Scott, yeah 20mm is a bit obscure, but i wanted something a little thinner and low key so 20mm is whats going on at the moment afterall i have done a lot with it and not giving up on it just yet! LOL, so this time round i think its sticking, its just for me at the moment and currently i only have 20mm SS stock, but think ill nip and get some 25mm tomorrow and start from scratch, same designs of sorts but 22mm and for the 18 range of batteries :)

So yeah, hopefully when its done, it'll be a 20mm hybrid looking device that takes a 14500 battery, again, obscure, but 1 off i think :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ukric on July 01, 2013, 02:17:31 PM
Do you recon you could slot the threads like the Parva I'm getting?

That way it gives the no gap look, but is suitable for everything in terms of airflow
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 01, 2013, 03:02:02 PM
Yeah i think i will, just waiting for my mill to turn up and ill be able to do that sort of thing then :)

Just ordered myself some more stock as well, got lots of SS coming tomorrow so will redo the mod in stainless, Ally is ok, but SS is nicer :)

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 01, 2013, 03:08:24 PM
Just one picture today, the 1st part of the atomiser :)

Made from 304 SS
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: itsmeitis on July 01, 2013, 06:51:42 PM
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Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 01, 2013, 06:53:39 PM
looking good Ed just remenber the smaller that post is the more juice you will get into that tank mate. ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 01, 2013, 08:34:54 PM
Thanks for the suggestions guys :)

Another pic to finish the day off. Had enough now lol Managed to break 2 glass tanks in the process of getting this top bit right LOL dont ask how, just happened! :-s

Anyway, tomorrows plan is drill hole for wick and negative terminal post, make insulators for centre post and make the brass road for the positive post. Hopefully will all goto plan....hopefully.

Then its just a top cap and tank, put it all together and hope it works, then....remake it for REAL next time all in SS!! THE JOYS OF IT!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 01, 2013, 09:11:04 PM
Brilliant work  ;D

I'm not sure about that wider section at the bottom half of the centre post though, will you get a wick past it with the glass on?
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 01, 2013, 09:25:19 PM
No but thats the idea, i wanted somewhere to have a nice engraving piece.

BUT, in reality, does it make a difference having a wick to the bottom of the tank, ie. SS wick? It is also threaded at both ends and has o-rings in there, hence the width difference on the bottom piece.

May rethink it after ive made a hash of this one! lol :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: itsmeitis on July 01, 2013, 09:28:15 PM
... in reality, does it make a difference having a wick to the bottom of the tank, ie. SS wick? It is also threaded at both ends and has o-rings in there, hence the width difference on the bottom piece.

it does bud ... the wick will absorb every last drop of liquid from the tank ... but it needs to be as near as possible to the bottom in order to achieve this.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 01, 2013, 09:31:40 PM
Quote
No but thats the idea, i wanted somewhere to have a nice engraving piece.
lol  :)

I'm a noob so probably not the best person to have an opinion but on the wick I guess it wouldn't matter but, only if the tank was kept more than half full all the time otherwise the wick won't be dipping into the juice and you'd have to rely on tilting it to get some capillary action going. Might end up being hard work to vape. I dunno
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: itsmeitis on July 01, 2013, 09:32:26 PM
also, if at any point, the wick does come into contact with the metal structure carrying earth/ground, then the chance of hot spot massively increases.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ukric on July 01, 2013, 09:34:49 PM
Now I was thinking about this...... Isn't there a Very simple fix? If the top section (above the post) were to be threaded and screwed on could you not then put some kind of inert insulating washer in the bottom of the tank so that if the wick touches it it has no effect?

Alright you'd lose maybe 1mm but for you genesis people would that solve a problem?
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ukric on July 01, 2013, 09:35:43 PM
Quote
No but thats the idea, i wanted somewhere to have a nice engraving piece.
lol  :)

I'm a noob so probably not the best person to have an opinion

Indeed! how dare you have an opinion..... ;)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: justin case on July 01, 2013, 09:39:14 PM
Now I was thinking about this...... Isn't there a Very simple fix? If the top section (above the post) were to be threaded and screwed on could you not then put some kind of inert insulating washer in the bottom of the tank so that if the wick touches it it has no effect?

Alright you'd lose maybe 1mm but for you genesis people would that solve a problem?

its not just the bottom, it's the wick hole its self that causes most problems and is hard to insulate.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 01, 2013, 09:43:03 PM
Thanks Ric lol  :D

I seem to remember seeing an atty on a video somewhere recently that had a small isolating ring round the inside of wick hole. Can't remember where/what it was tho. But wouldn't Ric's idea at least improve the situation? Maybe a delrin washer or something
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 01, 2013, 09:50:25 PM
Yeah got the insulated wick hole covered, but good point on the centre post...didnt think about that.

If i have problems then dont worry ill machine it off and have a straight post, but i wanted a staggered post....hence the staggered post. My problem is i dive in head first.....but....thats me! :D
lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 02, 2013, 08:16:25 AM
Your off to a good start Ed seeing how you are new to the lathe I'm sure next one going to be even better then that one.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 02, 2013, 08:48:31 AM
Thanks Rocc, we'll see how this one turns out!

Im sat looking at it trying to figure out how to get the wicking hole close to the centre post, at the moment im using an AGA-T2, and its pants. Really suffers from a hot spot on the top coil, which i have managed to get sorted with a LOT of messing about, so want to try and avoid that if possible by making the top coil sit close to the centre post.

Also, thinking about how to get "screws" onto the centre post, i dont have any small suitable taps/dies at the moment, so off to get a "kit" ranging from M1 upto M3 in a range of sizes, hopefully that should cover it, just ordered a "knurling tool" so i can make some nice nuts for the centre post as well. I quite like how the Cobra centre post is made up of 2 screw on sections so may go down this route.

Plans for the mod itself, im going to remake it, the more i look at it, the less i like the ally, it feels cheap and flimsy lol, and you only have to breath on it and it scratches/marks! Nightmare, ive got some pyrex tubing on the way as well as acrylic (PMMA) tubing so i dont keep breaking glass tubes lol

Todays plan is make the centre post and wicking holes.....insulated wicking hole none the less, from what i know, 2.5mm is a good size? Any suggestions or comments on this would be great! :)

Many thanks
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: itsmeitis on July 02, 2013, 02:18:25 PM
acrylic (PMMA) tubing should be okay for prototype testing and development stage, but perhaps best to veer away from at finalised point.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on July 02, 2013, 02:45:17 PM
 You can use wider than normal nuts on the center post to close the gap between that and the wick, this seems like the best method to me. Or go down the spring and two ss washers to trap the wire which also works good.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 02, 2013, 03:38:59 PM
Lesson of the day...

Trying to turn a 2mm x 25mm long rod from a 12mm length of brass is :

a) Frustrating
b) Time consuming
c) Waste of time

Im off to buy some 2mm Brass rod and going to use that instead. Not having a fun day today, struggling with a lot of things, centre post + top cap....dear me, im ready to jack it in today! Off to drill some holes, hope i dont snap a bit! (no pun)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 02, 2013, 04:59:12 PM
My concentration levels are not on good today.

Drilled a hole on the p*ss, not a good at all. I think im having a bad day! :D lol

Anyways, managed to get the centre post insulated with 2 delrin tubes (see image)

Also threw together a "top cap" i wanted something so plain, flat top and boring and its come out just how i wanted it. Plain and boring.....just need to conjour up a way to get a ring of Phosphor Bronze on there now....

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 02, 2013, 05:21:51 PM
It's looking smart  ;D

Once you've learned it once you've learned it - the only way is up bud! It'll all be well worth it when you're knocking out gorgeous mods every time and people are beating your door down to get one :D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 02, 2013, 05:55:49 PM
Thanks Ilegal, i just want to get one finished, make sure it works and i can use that then as a guide for when i come to make another lol

But it seems that im wasting materials (a lot of it) and finding it generally more difficult than 1st thought, its all good and well cutting shapes and sticking them together, but its now the mechanics and making all those parts work as one so to speak....

Hopefully its starting to look more and more like an e-cig now lol im quite pleased with the progress so far, and hoping that in the end it will be a mod to admire :)

Few more pics attached :)

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: itsmeitis on July 02, 2013, 05:59:50 PM
sure is looking good eddy ... 8)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: a1laserboy on July 02, 2013, 06:17:20 PM
Ed, amazing work! I wish I had skills like you man, massive respect!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 02, 2013, 06:29:54 PM
Thanks Guys :)

Skills? If you mean learning on the fly and living with hope and fear constantly that something WILL GO RIGHT, then yeah i have LOADS of skills!

Its all be flung on a whim and a prayer really, well i say that, the last few parts have been machined properly, ie. Not guessed at. The actual battery mod was thrown together and could do with being "tidied" up a little, and having a bit of a rethink of the insides, but for now, it'll do! :)

The things im not happy with at the moment are :

a) Its thin and long, about as tall as a mini provari + AGA T2 (without a drip tip) (see image)
b) Its top heavy, but since the battery tube is Ally i recon that'll change when its made in SS
c) Dont think there is a C yet....im sure there will be......

:) (PS > Ignore mess on desk, remnants of breakfast/lunch/snack x 3)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Cerberus on July 02, 2013, 07:55:51 PM
That looks really smart eddy. Very nicely made that keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 03, 2013, 05:19:34 PM
Thanks Cerberus :)

Weight is the next question - Heavy or light? Flimsy or Soilid?

Making a battery mod out of SS is going to result in quite a heavy piece of kit, As i only have 16mm taps/dies, and 20mm Glass tanks, as it stands im limited to what i can do/make. So the OD of the mod has to be 20mm (for the glass) and the ID of the mod has to be 15mm to acomodate the battery + M16 thread for top/bottom cap, this will result in a 2.5mm wall thickness in 304 SS.....is a fair ol' weight i think! Stick a SS Genesis Atomiser on it as well and i think it'll weight a tonne. (Not literally!)

What are peoples thoughts/opinions on weighty mods?

:)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 03, 2013, 06:44:26 PM
I love a bit of weight to a mod myself. It makes them feel less flimsy + I'm very clumsy so it's reassuring as I think they'll survive more falls :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 03, 2013, 07:28:55 PM
Ok thats good, im quite the same to be honest, like to know im holding something good....

Anyway, ive had to redo this mod in 18mm (again its a one off for me) since i couldnt get hold of any 1" SS today and had a load of 20mm left over, so wanted something SS, with a nice finish so went down to 18mm, hopefully ill have it done this evening LOL (but we'll see)

Ive ordered some 1" 304, 22mm Pyrex Tanks, 18mm Pyrex tanks and even some 13mm Pyrex tanks (for a wee tiny project i have in mind).

Im adament on having one finished for the end of the week....lol :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on July 03, 2013, 08:37:51 PM
 I prefer them weighty too..
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 04, 2013, 09:01:09 AM
Its official, i hate SS.

Its hard to turn, bore, face, drill and mill, you name it, it hates it.

Anyways, after spending a fair few hours in my garage last night ive finished up with a tube and 1 end cap! Managed to trash 2 carbide tips, 3 drill bits and use a whole can of tufcut. 304 is a pig. End of.

Will continue today and see what happens next! LOL wow this is now getting harder and harder by the day and im still no closer to having a finished mod :(

Im not ready to give in just yet though there is a light at the end of the tunnel, and the SS looks so much better than the ally one did :D So pleased about that, just need to finish the tube off and ill be content with that then.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on July 04, 2013, 12:28:25 PM
 If you've got a grinder or belt sander keep your drills sharp mate, I even sharpen new drills unless they are top end ones as most are badly sharpened. Makes a hell of a difference mate especially with SS.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: stevemontuno on July 04, 2013, 12:51:56 PM
I always use plenty of cooling fluid with SS ,,keeps those tips sharp,,its still a lengthly process with a mini lathe though,,,,

And then theres brass,,,,,,, like butter,,lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 04, 2013, 02:09:50 PM
Yeah brass and fozzy bronze are my best friends at the moment! lol

All my bits are sharpened by my dad on a regular basis, ive not got much in terms of coolant and using a cutting oil and also an aerosol "tufcut" both work pretty well, but nothing in the realms of a suds oil pump setup! Would be nice, but maybe overkill for my needs.

Ploughing on making the bronze rings and bottom cap today all good so far :)

Unsure on what finish to put on it, brushed? Polished? What are your opinions? :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ukric on July 04, 2013, 02:10:50 PM
Polished
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 04, 2013, 02:12:21 PM
Seconded  :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 04, 2013, 02:15:31 PM
Excellent! :) Thats the easier finish IMO lol

Will get polishing later on :D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 04, 2013, 05:11:02 PM
Update of the day - So far So Good.

Right im half way there, have a mod im pretty happy with, need to do a few final bits though

- Polish the hell out of it
- Adjust button on bottom
- Mill out finger slots for button

But, generally, pretty happy! And above all, it works....really well! :D

Chuffed.

Made from 304 SS, Brass and Fozzy Bronze

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 04, 2013, 05:11:27 PM
One more image i couldnt get in above post...
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on July 04, 2013, 05:48:10 PM
looks excellent mate.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 04, 2013, 06:41:36 PM
Ok so added a "screw type" bottom button, came out really well and works a treat! :)

Now, few things left to do, polish it, drill vent holes and make an atomiser, should be easy enough LOL :)

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ukric on July 04, 2013, 06:45:27 PM
Finger slots?
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 04, 2013, 06:47:17 PM
Opposed.

Lol it was "easier" to make a screw type button instead of a "finger slotted" button, im still waiting for my mill to arrive :(
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 04, 2013, 09:53:52 PM
Last few images for today, ive had enough now lol been in the garage since this morning.....onwards and upwards tomorrow!

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 05, 2013, 11:20:17 AM
That looks really really good, Eddy. Well done!

For a second though I thought JEEZ, HE'S MADE AN AGA T2!!!  :o

 :D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 05, 2013, 12:15:08 PM
LOL Not quite! :)

Thanks Ilegal, going to have a break from it today, got bitten by a horsefly yesterday and my arm/hand is like a balloon! lol so dont think ill be doing much today.

I had some acrylic arrive, wrong size though for what i needed. I was expecting 2 sizes and only 1 arrived and it wasnt the 18mm stuff :( So not much i can do really anyway, ordered some orings which should be here tomorrow hopefully and also some small taps and dies so i can make the centre post on the top.

It will be done! LOL unless it kills me doing so!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 05, 2013, 02:41:00 PM
In my hours of incapcatence i started polishing it, bottom cap and once over on the rest - Done, needs more but button is good!

Off to make another one now for a 10440 lol :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 06, 2013, 11:38:42 AM
Saturday - New Day - New piece.

Right, had a delivery of bits and bobs this morning, some 2mm brass rod, orings, taps and dies, acrylic tubing and fiances B'day presents.

Anyway, managed to make the top section for atty and give it a quick rub down to 1200grit W&D and finished off with a bit of WD40 (with 1200grit). Got some acrylic today as well in the post, still waiting on pyrex though....but at least i can work with the acrylic for the time being. Hopefully today ill have the top cap, drip tip, centre post all made up and ready to go! (Hopefully).

I also started a 10440 mod yesterday, exactly the same as this one, but smaller, more so for when i am out and about at the pub and want something a little more low key. Will post that up once its finished! :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 06, 2013, 12:21:42 PM
Centre Pin on the way.

For anyone interested, its 2mm brass rod with an M2x0.4 thread cut onto it, then the same thread cut into the insulator (which i think ill make smaller in the future), now ill make a "cover" to go onto this out of stainless to make the centre post a little more "meaty", then onto that will go a knurled cap/top/screw to which the wire will sit between....make sense? Great!

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 06, 2013, 12:35:04 PM
Another image with a cart stuck on it for size comparison :)

Very sleek  ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 06, 2013, 01:00:29 PM
Thanks Fiona :)

Part 1 of the centre pin, went with Brass since its easier to work with, and more conductive than SS :)

Need to make the top screw, then thread the insulator onto the bottom of the centre and that should be the centre post done! :) (yay)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 06, 2013, 01:55:47 PM
DISASTER.

Snapped a tap in the top section of the atomiser whilst doing the negative screw :(

Gutted and fed up to say the least.....Im going to leave it for the rest of the day before i get too p*ssed off and throw the lot up the wall. My patience has worn very thin. And its hot. And im bothered and hungry.....lol

Not to worry, im sure i can find something else to ruin, like the mod, i need to cut some grooves in the top cap so my carts work on it.....brb, will report. If you dont hear from my, ive gone mad and smashed my PC up as well as the machines....LOL

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 06, 2013, 01:58:23 PM
Deep Breaths  ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 06, 2013, 02:54:47 PM
LOL im trying Fiona, i really am, but patience just isnt on my side today....

SO...onwards and upwards, managed to get some ego slots into my Mod, and have to say, it works a TREAT! Very pleased with it!

And looks great with a cart on it(in my opinion), will finish my 10440 today as well, same principle design/colors etc, and really, made to go in ya pocket when your out and about! Will keep post pics later, atty is on hold until i regain my patience! (and get new tools) LOL

What a beast of a job an atty is.....seriously, i tip my hat to everyone that has made one from scratch, from home....

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 06, 2013, 02:57:23 PM
Thats soo cool...Very talented ....Even though you are somewhat impatient  :P
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 06, 2013, 03:01:02 PM
Thanks Fiona, impatient isnt the word, everything needs to be done yesterday.....lol always been the same and i dive into everything head first, but thats what makes my life tick, its exciting this way!! LOL :D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 06, 2013, 03:04:47 PM
I can empathise I can be very impatient....but it just depends on what it is...now waiting for vape mail to arrive could drive me nuts with how impatient I get :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 06, 2013, 04:25:14 PM
Yeah ive been waiting all week for bits and pieces to arrive, its nice when they do, but highly frustrating when they dont, especially if you are expecting it!

Excuse my grubby hands, fresh in from the garage!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: itsmeitis on July 06, 2013, 04:39:53 PM
looking fantastic Eddy 8)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Cerberus on July 06, 2013, 04:49:03 PM
That little one is so cute awww :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 06, 2013, 04:52:50 PM
LOL It is very small, but works great and is so easy to go into a pocket/handbag, feels nice in your hand to! Nice and sturdy and the button is nice and responsive. Think ill donate that one to my mom though, see if it doesnt attract her to vaping instead of smoking! Ill be making myself a smaller one to, for when im out and about as taking my provari+aga T2 is a nightmare (IMO) cant put it anywhere without worrying about a) It breaking b) leaking through or c) looking like a weapon of mass destruction and getting quizzed about it!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 06, 2013, 05:20:47 PM
I like the little one too, very cute   ;D

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Cerberus on July 06, 2013, 05:51:22 PM
Quote
handbag,

Manbag :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 06, 2013, 05:52:45 PM
.....or a manbag.....do guys really use manbags?? lol i tend to use pockets or the fiances handbag since it big enough to fit all kinds of useless stuff in, and manages to even LOSE things in there. Dont ask, i dont know how/what/why that happens, but it does. Its like a blackhole, just sucks everything in....
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on July 06, 2013, 05:59:13 PM
you really need a bronze sleeve at the bottom of that cart driptip now mate to finish it off...  looks great.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 06, 2013, 06:20:05 PM
Some ladies have 'Mary Poppins' type bags....If they pulled a Table and four chairs out you wouldn't be surprised  ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 06, 2013, 06:24:11 PM
LOL Fiona, sometimes it feels that way!

Mev > Already planning a few drip tips, SS mixed with Brass or Bronze, not sure yet, but will get some ideas down later, i quite like a straight tip myself so may do that first, its just a case of making it, i like the idea of SS/Brass/SS its just figuring out how to do it, thinking of drill/tap each section together as sleeving it would be a bit flimsy i think.....ill have a play around see what i can come up with.

Once i have the 2 finished, ill draw them out and then start making a few in my spare time along with matching drip tips :)

Hopefully they'll attract the eyes of one or 2....
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: justin case on July 06, 2013, 06:27:12 PM
Quote
I also started a 10440 mod yesterday, exactly the same as this one, but smaller, more so for when i am out and about at the pub and want something a little more low key. Will post that up once its finished!

you'll regret that within half an hour of being in the pub mate, unless you got a big old overcoat stuffed with batteries...lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 06, 2013, 07:09:18 PM
Nah it'll be fine for my needs lol i dont tend to vape much when im out anyway so a 350mAh will be fine :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 06, 2013, 08:31:47 PM
looking good there Ed well done mate ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 06, 2013, 09:46:19 PM
Thanks Rocc, took a lot more work than i originally thought it would, but im pleased with the outcome so far for a first go. Will deffinately be making a few at a time in the future though, ie. 5 of each and sending them out :)

Think ill call the large one "Blood, Sweat" and the small one "Tears" LOL or "Love and Hope" since they're both descriptions/emotions of whats gone into each one LOL :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 06, 2013, 10:09:41 PM
What sizes will you be doing Eddy? I'm curious too how you're going to go from here to selling them - whether you'll have your own brand (size, design, shape etc) or make them to order

What's the next step? Going on some of the forums as a modder?
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 06, 2013, 10:10:50 PM
Maybe you could call one...Patients....  :P
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 06, 2013, 10:14:21 PM
Maybe you could one...Patients....  :P

That's gone over my head lol  :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 06, 2013, 10:34:24 PM
LOL Patience :) I think i will bare that in mind Fiona!

Ilegal > No idea, size wise, at the moment ive got all the bits i need to make 18mm and 14mm mods (so 14 range batteries and 10 range batteries really), to make anything bigger would mean new taps/dies (as my knowledge of thread cutting on a lathe is very poor, and by all accounts its a black art lol), as far as brand goes, again, something ive thought about, still unsure really, would like to get some engraving done of a design eventually onto my mods, but as far as mass production goes, its a no no on my end, due to time and lack of skill really....

Ill see what comes out at the end, there are changes i still have in mind for the 2 i have, mainly design/engraving orientated, but also a bit "miffed" i went with the smaller size as im restricted on what i can stick on them at the moment, i think down the line i will upscale and do some 18 type batteries (20mm +).

This all started from :

a) A need for something smaller than what i had
b) Not being put on a list and having to wait weeks/months
c) Seeing a caravela and admiring how nice the Brass/SS looked together.

Once i have these 2 made, with matching drip tips then ill go from there lol (i keep saying this dont i?!)

So far, the larger of the 2 is working really great, not missed a beat, no miss fires and works every time, button is very responsive and power delivery is great with little loss. So, over all pretty happy, but can see improvements already which ive noted ready for the next one. The smaller of the 2 still needs work, ie. Button mechanism.

Ive been using a cart on the larger one, which is working really well, but not the same as a genesis lol, would have been nice to make a genesis to match it, BUT, thats proving so difficult...and for the time being think ill leave it to the pro's! So im on the hunt for an 18mm (diameter) genesis atty to go with it. Otherwise, ill stick with carts for a while! :)

The smaller one, really will only ever work with carts due to its small size, but its cute and looks ok and pretty portable (which was the idea). Granted, the 10440 isnt the best battery, but for a few hours out and about, it'll be fine i think :)

So yeah, thats where i am with it all really, no idea where im going with it, or where it will end up, but have no real push to go onto other forums as a "modder" since i wouldnt say that, im just a guy wth a lathe and an addiction to vaping and nice shiney things....lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 06, 2013, 10:48:48 PM
Respect bud, I was just curious where you were heading. I think it's fair enough to do your own thing, come up with something really nice and personal, especially if you get it engraved and give it some kind of distinctive identity. It makes it appealing, especially watching the blood sweat and tears in you getting there (not saying I like reading about you getting p*ssed off btw, just that it makes it real reading how you're progressing lol)

I'm very much enjoying seeing how you get on so keep at it bud. Maybe when I have a few quid you'll make me a 22mm one! Or at least a nice low profile foggy looking 2.5ml atty  :D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Dazz3 on July 06, 2013, 10:49:09 PM
Alternative to a genny. Try a dream atomizer (think it's a ripoff of the kayfun )
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 06, 2013, 10:56:35 PM
Ilegal > Absolutely, ill make sure i keep posting updates, its getting p*ssed off that makes me want to do it more LOL and im sure its always a good read! :)

Dazz3 > Thanks for the suggestion, but im not really into silica wicks :(
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Dazz3 on July 06, 2013, 11:04:40 PM
Ok.. just the only 18/19 mm atty I could think of off the top of my head
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Dazz3 on July 06, 2013, 11:08:13 PM
Maybe 17mm arrow genesis? Fiddly but apparently a damn good vape.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 07, 2013, 08:22:09 AM
Ive gone for an AGT (17.5mm diameter) will see how that turns out, only because it was cheap lol
After using a genesis for a while, a cart just doesnt cut it anymore :( and i hate it when an atomiser is larger than the mod itself...i think most will agree.

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 07, 2013, 09:49:15 AM
So the mrs is at work (on her birthday) so i thought id have an hour in the garage to start my sunday morning and came up with this.....could have been better really as the oring i have for it is a little small, but was recomended 5mmx1.5mm which ive found to be a bit small, but none the less, it works (i have some bigger ones ill pinch off another tip for the time being). Also, there is a slight gap where the 2 metals meet, dick head here used a radius tool instead of a straight tool and now they wont meet.

They are press fitted together (With use of a rubber mallet) so no way of them coming apart. Something a bit different and goes well with Mod.

Done a little bit of post processing on the image to bring the contrast and brightness up a bit and also took out a blue hue i got from my camera for some reason, not sure why though. Not to worry! :)

Took abobut an hour to do this, turned down 20mm SS to 9mm then press fit some brass on, parted it, faced it down to size then gave it a quick rub down and finished with some finishing compound (for anyone interested lol)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 07, 2013, 10:05:24 AM
And one more picture of the tip by itself :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 07, 2013, 11:57:40 AM
Well made a big discovery, Brass (CZ121) contains 3% lead....so having it on the tip of the tip is a no no, so off to make another one with the brass in the middle.....

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 07, 2013, 12:17:36 PM
It looks very sleek......there's so much talent on this forum  ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 07, 2013, 12:34:51 PM
Hmm didnt quite come out as planned, kept going, then gave up on polishing it properly realising i wouldnt use it lol

Off to make something else....
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Dazz3 on July 07, 2013, 12:35:59 PM
I actually like that one... :))
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 07, 2013, 09:11:24 PM
Ed this drip tip is so bad ass mate. your press fit and clean up is so very nice. the black line in your press fit what is that in there? next one put the brass on the bottom would like to see what that would look like as well.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 07, 2013, 09:25:25 PM
Hi Rocc, thanks! Takes a bit of tinkering to get the fit right, but they press right on once the holes are right! (and no chance of them coming off)

I didnt realise that the brass i have contains lead so that one is a no go :( bit of a shame really because i quite liked it!

To get it on the bottom would involve having 2 sleeves, 1 brass and 1 stainless tip, but its in the pipe line for sure, im adamant on having a mixed drip tip! so it will either be

Brass Bottom/SS Top
OR
SS Bottom/Brass Middle/SS Top

The latter being the better option as it would give a neater finish, the problem being, to have them "flush" on a cart means having a VERY small lip, and making a brass ring that small would be VERY difficult for an amateur like me! The black ring you see is where the 2 dont meet properly as i used a radius tipped tool and didnt get a square edge, so the join isnt perfect (although ill cut my own tool next time i think to take the radius out of it!)

I maybe inclined to try adding some black delrin in there, to give it a "black line" or some seperation whilst keeping the whole thing flush and straight (i think they look so much nicer that way!)

I have a 17.5mm Genesis atty on the way (AGT by UD i think) but the top cap will be getting remade in SS/Brass to match the mod/tip :) Hopefully it'll come out alright and look the part!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 07, 2013, 09:51:02 PM
i was thinking it was black delrin in there lol. the pic make it look that way. brass on the botom and ss on top would look very nice
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on July 07, 2013, 10:41:39 PM
 How about something like this mate ?

(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j424/Mev007/two_tone_tip_zps1f2ac290.png)

 just a straight thread through at maybe M7 x 0.5 (because you have that tap and die lol)

 You could add a black delrin washer if you wanted too.

 Think I may knock one up like this tomorrow myself..  ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 08, 2013, 07:21:09 AM
Hey Mev looks great! Will certainly be doing that on my next one, seems a little easier to do as well rather than press fitting!

Let us know how you get on :D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on July 08, 2013, 06:14:25 PM
 Made one earlier threaded as in the diagram, could do with a polish but here it is.

(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j424/Mev007/2013-07-08175918_zps5619e50b.jpg)

 Was going to show it in parts but be damned if I can get it apart now by hand lol.

(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j424/Mev007/2013-07-08175700_zps04126cf9.jpg)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: funkybunch on July 08, 2013, 06:25:17 PM
Looks very nice Mev :D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 08, 2013, 06:29:16 PM
Looks great Mev! Im still waiting for some materials to arrive before i can have another go, the tap/thread way looks great! Easy enough to do? :) I imagine that if you were to start shaping it, would it hold up?
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on July 08, 2013, 06:32:32 PM
 Yes it'd certainly hold up, it's 10mm and I used a 6mm x 1.0 tap so there's a bit of meat on it. Took me a lot longer than I thought it would as I snapped a tap and it was the only one I had in that size so ground it and carried on lol.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 08, 2013, 06:38:16 PM
Oh wow! Sounds like you had an interesting day, the ones i made are 9mm diameter, just to sit flush on a cart more than anything. Im going to get a few designs down and put up an online shop, if they sell, they sell, if not, then ill have a nice collection of tips! lol :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 08, 2013, 08:12:49 PM
Oh wow! Sounds like you had an interesting day, the ones i made are 9mm diameter, just to sit flush on a cart more than anything. Im going to get a few designs down and put up an online shop, if they sell, they sell, if not, then ill have a nice collection of tips! lol :)

Go for it Eddy! Mev is definitely a Tip Jedi in my books given the two excellent ones he made me  ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 09, 2013, 10:08:01 AM
Right my atty turned up this morning and have to say, im pretty pleased with it!

Was a doddle to setup, contrary to what i heard/read about the AGT, took me 5mins, oxidized the wick, then pulsed it to finish it off, vapes great, but only have 1 14500 at the moment (i shorted one yesterday!) So need to get some more, and STILL waiting on materials :( lol so today, im actually having to do some real work instead of tinkering in the garage!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Gazrick on July 09, 2013, 11:50:33 AM
Looks awesome mate 😊
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on July 09, 2013, 12:50:17 PM
 Can't fault it mate... thing is are you happy with it ?
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 09, 2013, 01:15:59 PM
Yeah but i think it can be refined, a lot.....so will get round to it when i have chance and some material.

The AGT is actually turning out to be a nightmare though LOL more hotspots than the sun and keeps blowing coils. Not much issue with the AGA T2 in comparison though!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ukric on July 09, 2013, 01:32:07 PM
Looking through the various different photos, I can't help thinking by the end of it you're gonna have holes in your hands! They're starting to look a bit cut up.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on July 09, 2013, 02:17:41 PM
 LoL Ukric..

 Last week I gave myself a manicure with the lathe while sanding a driptip, it was sore for a couple of days I'll tell ya.. lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 09, 2013, 03:14:35 PM
ric > it happens! LOL And its not so easy trying to keep your hands cut free when working with freshly cut edges, cleaning up swarf and generally doing 'man type' things LOL :)

Thanks for your concern though
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 09, 2013, 05:39:08 PM
Had enough of the 14500 already, far too long to be usable IMO (thats only my opinion)

So started using a cheapo KTS in 18350 mode, so much nicer! LOL So you know whats coming next....i have to do an 18350 version! :D lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 09, 2013, 05:46:52 PM
im still a few days away from having the shop done but im going to do a 18350 mod when i have the lathe setup and ready.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 09, 2013, 05:48:46 PM
Wow Rocc, looking good, looks like you're going all out! What lathe is that? Looks a monster compared to my little model makers Lathe!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 09, 2013, 05:54:38 PM
it a smithy 3 n 1 1220 LTD mate i think it's 12 x 20
http://www.smithy.com/midas/pricing/ltd (http://www.smithy.com/midas/pricing/ltd)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 09, 2013, 06:02:03 PM
Lovely mate, looks a cracking piece of kit!

Id be so impatient and have it setup regardless if everything was ready! LOL Look forward to seeing some of your work! :D

Seems to be a very popular practice now, making mods, its either that, or ive started noticing it a little more! lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 09, 2013, 06:03:40 PM
it all came down to motor size on the lathe. i wanted a lathe that would cut SS fast so i went with the 1220 i could have got a bigger lathe but at a much higher cost and that one is like 36 stones so going with anything bigger would be to much for me.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 09, 2013, 06:07:11 PM
lol Ed i have had that thing for a few  months now and still don;\'t have it setup lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 09, 2013, 06:08:40 PM
Rocc > You need to pull ya finger out man!!! LOL :D Get 'er up!

This is all from an inexperienced lathe user by the way, so could be off, but what i found is SS gets hot....fast, specially when you cut it at high feeds! Found that out quick and killed my tools quick to, carbide tipped tools dont even bode well with SS (although they do better than HSS they still hate it!) lol :)
Do you have a coolant pump/setup with it? :) 
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 09, 2013, 06:22:04 PM
it's all good mate i have been a machinist for 27 years i know what feed rate to use for SS. a small motor on a lathe = less of a cut then a bigger motor would that what i meant by fast. i ran cnc mills and  lathes for  years.
coolant hmm if i do set one up it would be a mist unit. cutting fluid and a brush is all would use 99% of the time
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on July 09, 2013, 06:26:16 PM
Greenhorn then Rocc ?    lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 09, 2013, 06:26:51 PM
Ahhh i see! Now if you'd have said "depth of cut" id have understood! LOL

Yeah on my small 550w brushless DC motor i manage about .5mm DOC with ease, going upto .7/.8mm DOC it starts to dig in and complain a bit lol and gets so hot its untrue, but im happy working .5mm DOC, may take a bit longer on certain parts, but the end product is usually the same! :)

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 09, 2013, 06:28:29 PM
Looking forward to seeing some of your work too Rocc......Looks like you've been very busy  ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 09, 2013, 06:30:08 PM
Quote
Greenhorn then Rocc ?    lol
Indeed Sir :P
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ukric on July 09, 2013, 06:41:49 PM
One of you three needs to make a silica atty! ( i'll keep saying it until one of you does :-p )
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 09, 2013, 06:42:46 PM
I agree...  ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on July 09, 2013, 06:44:06 PM
I agree...  ;D
come and make these zappers mate and give me a break and i'll have a go at one lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 09, 2013, 06:44:27 PM
well Fiona seeing how i got the lathe months ago busy is not the word i would use lol but thanks. when i designed my atomizer it took me a very long time but i wanted a atomizer that was not a copy of anything out there and yes it very hard to come up with new stuff when some many talented people have already made them. i had to think so far out of the box that i lost the box and now i can't find it again  :-[ i juat hope that when it done its good and easy to use.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 09, 2013, 06:47:16 PM
@ Mev I dont know how to make zappers  :P

@ Rocc...hahaha so far out the box you lost the box...love it  ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ukric on July 09, 2013, 06:52:54 PM
I agree...  ;D
come and make these zappers mate and give me a break and i'll have a go at one lol

If I get a free atomiser i'll happily spend a weekend doing so...... *gauntlet thrown*
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 09, 2013, 06:58:45 PM
i will make one and call it "The little Ricky" if you like silica wick you will love the Little Ricky  ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 09, 2013, 07:00:36 PM
Awwww thats a sweet name  ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Cerberus on July 09, 2013, 07:02:47 PM
come on bob. All them nights in chat and you have not picked up the slang for Richard :(
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 09, 2013, 07:07:46 PM
OH!  hahaha...  :P
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 09, 2013, 07:40:24 PM
i was being nice lol over here the nick name for Richard is Dick :o
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 09, 2013, 08:01:17 PM
And here in the UK  :P
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Cerberus on July 09, 2013, 08:27:58 PM
:) :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 12, 2013, 02:58:22 PM
Not quite a mod, but made a tip/topcap for my AGT, few gaps, which im annoyed about, but press fitting, its a shot go, and thats it! lol

Think its come out 'ok' for an hours worth of messing about :) Fits a lot better than the original topcap to and doesnt wobble about either, albeit, its a good.....SNUG fit lol and takes some getting off, but at least it doesnt fall off, and same for the drip tip, fits really well and doesnt wobble as with the original Topcap :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 12, 2013, 07:33:36 PM
this is what i do when press fitting. cleaning up the corners is very important to make the edges meet up. buffing will help as well and maybe a little oil to lube it up some lol.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 12, 2013, 07:42:11 PM
Thanks Rocc, i dont have many square edged tools, and the 1 i do have, which is a small 2mm parting blade gets chobbled quickly by the SS lol

Really, i should have sharpened it, but everything is better in hindsight! :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Cerberus on July 12, 2013, 09:08:51 PM
eddy that makes the agt look tones better :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 12, 2013, 09:38:37 PM
Thanks Cerberus :) I thought so to, its just a shame that the ti and the ss class a little bit lol

Other than that, im pretty happy with! And it vapes somewhat better to, could either be because of the topcap or the bigger air hole (1.5mm) either way, its vaping like a train and im a happy camper!

Rocc > Lesson learnt, always sharpen ya tools! LOL :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 12, 2013, 11:55:05 PM
Couple of thoughts:

Bloody brilliant thing on the top cap - could you do me a brass/SS one for the AGA T2 as I've got a little mix-up going on with my SS 19b and brass 19e and a brass band in the AGAT2 cap like that would look the biz. What might you charge?

[edited out the garbage]
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 13, 2013, 03:47:40 AM
Ed the new top cap and drip tip looks very nice indeed mate. when you get your press fit worked out and the line is gone its going to look even better. well done mate
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 20, 2013, 07:10:49 PM
Rocc > Thanks! Will be back to it this week, been on holiday for a week! Good to get away, and i even took a rebuildable and had no problems! Result! lol

Ilegal > Certainly, i thought about doing one as soon as i was back, as the standard one is UGLY IMO lol ill post some pics over the next few days, if you like the look of it, id be happy to knock one together for you! :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 20, 2013, 07:32:06 PM
That's great Eddy! I agree, anything to bling it up and make it a bit more sparky would be pretty cool! I ended up drilling the air hole on the cap out to 1.5ml on mine, tho I wonder whether to go to 2... Anyway, that's another convo. Cheers bud!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 28, 2013, 07:15:00 PM
So, had a lazy sunday but managed 30mins in the Garage and made 2 drip tips, both of which need finishing off, but you get the idea :)

Delrin tipped SS, i have some "acrylic" which i dont actually think is "acrylic" more of a resin, and stinks nasty bad when turned, and dont fancy having it in my gob to be fair, else id have used that, maybe Mev could try something similar with his nice acrylic blanks? :)

Enjoy!

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Rocc on July 28, 2013, 08:00:24 PM
nice tips there mate. be careful you dont cut pvc and if you do make sure it never smokes. the gas it give off will hurt you real bad.
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 28, 2013, 08:26:34 PM
Thanks for the heads up Rocc! :) Will keep that in mind mate, i dont think ill ever use PVC though, not if i can help it anyway, always use Acetol (Delrin) which as far as i know, is pretty inert!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 28, 2013, 08:32:58 PM
I reckon they look cool - pretty different!

Btw Ged posted a pic of a AGA W that I'd never seen before in another thread (Fast tech?) - the top cap (it's just plain) looks tons better than the T2's. No idea why they aren't around anymore but thought might be worth a gander if not seen them
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 28, 2013, 09:19:21 PM
Thanks Ilega, needs some tweaking, but generally happy with them, the white one is a little "thin" for my liking, more akin to a rolly LOL :)

Ive just had a look @ the AGA W cap, looks better than the AGA T2 by far, hopefully my material will be here this week, i only have some 20mm and need 25mm for the top cap, once its here, ill bash a cap or 10 out, im using an RSST at the moment, and to be honest, become quite fond of it, although, i dont like the polycarb tank, so may revert back to the AGA once it looks somewhat better :)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 28, 2013, 09:46:52 PM
Doesn't look thinner than the other to me but difficult to see from the pics!

Yep, I think the RSST looks better than the AGA myself. DOn't have an RSST tho. Only thing stopped me was the polycarb tank - I keep busting my non-pyrex tanks, which is weird as I don't think I'm using anything too OTT citrus or whatever-wise. The RSST tank looks better I think as more low profile than the AGA, a bit like my favourite, the smaller Foggy 2.5ml tank - totally the best looking thing out there in my eyes at least (but the DT on them isn't so cool shhh!)

In fact, let's have a gratuitous foggatti picture lol:

(http://www.foggatti.com/attachments/Image/hybrids2_1.jpg?template=generic)

I noticed that slender pink DT you have - did you see the one from vapelab (the popeye) that's really similar? Totally over the top but great  :D

Best of luck with the top caps!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 28, 2013, 09:47:49 PM
Oh hell, seems I've gone and done one of those giant pics myself lol. Soz all
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 30, 2013, 02:21:06 PM
Another boring Tuesday in the office resulted spending 45mins in garage making a tip for my AGA T2, i got fed up with the RSST last night, just coiled get it to coil right, so put it down for a bit and gone back to the AGA, didnt like the tip i made the other day as it didnt "fit" with it lol

Only thing i dont like now is that the finish is different on the 19...never mind hey!

Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ukric on July 30, 2013, 02:22:47 PM
Polishing time then ;)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 30, 2013, 02:28:35 PM
Then you can come and hoover my house  :P
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 30, 2013, 02:30:35 PM
Yeah tempted, but im worried about sticking it in the lathe chucks and marking the crap out of it, i dont have a collet chuck and im not happy wrapping it in paper, and frankly, cant be arsed lol

Think i may buy another one once Vapour Hut give me a refund for the VHybrid, which again, ill repeat is terrible.....(that should be IF they give me a refund LOL) then ill polish one as i dont mind if i kill it LOL.

Fiona > LOL I have a hard time keeping my own house in shape! :D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 30, 2013, 02:33:52 PM
It was worth a try lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 30, 2013, 02:36:21 PM
10 points for effort Fiona :) i tend to do the housework mid afternoon, everyone is happy at that point and at work or busy, so bit of quiet time, music on, dance with hoover....
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 30, 2013, 02:37:32 PM
I may just cook the dinner....No dancing will be involved though  ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on July 30, 2013, 02:40:33 PM
LOL I dance whilst i cook to....can be a little dangrous at times i have to be honest, but none the less, good for ****s and giggles :) lol
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Fiona on July 30, 2013, 02:41:25 PM
I might try that then....It'll make it interesting  ;D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Mev on July 30, 2013, 05:45:41 PM
forgot to post this but this tip I made earlier in the thread ended up as a bullet... lol

(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j424/Mev007/2013-07-19161146_zps3b9f09f3.jpg)
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Nick Brown on July 30, 2013, 06:11:13 PM
Nice! Very er manly  :P
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: ilegal on July 30, 2013, 06:33:24 PM
Hey Mev, you need to offer to write people's name on them if they buy one  ;)

If you could do it I would bet you money people would fall over themselves to buy one - 'this drip tip has your name on it' kinda thing  :D
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: Evil-C on September 09, 2013, 09:38:22 PM
You could do a follow on version called the 'grenade'!!!
Title: Re: Making a mod....a learning curve
Post by: eddy-r3 on January 04, 2014, 10:44:36 PM
Hey guys, just to reitterate, this project is now on hold and all deposits have been paid - If you havent recieved one or have a dispute, please feel free to contact me and we'll get it resolved ASAP :)

Many thanks for all your support,

All the best,
Eddy