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itsmeitis

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BBC asks, are e-cigarettes safe
« on: August 31, 2014, 02:27:31 PM »

the general consensus is, 'buy only from reputable suppliers', yet again when subject to basic scrutiny from an external body, the conveniently self regulated reputable is caught remarkably short.

this article from the BBC, demonstrates sufficient grounds to enquire ...

Are e-cigarettes safe?
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Re: BBC asks, are e-cigarettes safe
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2014, 04:54:20 PM »

They should know what's in their own ingredients....if you sell the stuff I think it's only right the seller knows what's in it...
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Re: BBC asks, are e-cigarettes safe
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2014, 05:08:06 PM »

they should ...

"VIP’s Custom-Made Flavours
Unlike many other brands, we do not use a generic flavouring supplier for our Cartomizers and e-liquids. Our ‘Designer’ blended flavours are custom-made exclusively for VIP.  We’ve also introduced several new flavours to our extensive range. Customers now have a choice of 10 VIP designer flavours to choose from.
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but sometimes its easier and more fruitful to just project doubt on their lesser sized independent competitor ...

"Safety and Regulation
We conform to all regulatory requirements for the safe and legal sale of electronic cigarette products. CHIP and RoHS Compliant, CE certified and CPT Tested (Child Proof Safety). Ingredients are tested for purity by UKAS laboratories using GC/MS testing methods. Not all e-cigarette ventures are registered businesses and many are run from home by hobbyists who do not ensure adequate testing or quality of materials. You can read our previous blog posts for more detailed information.
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Re: BBC asks, are e-cigarettes safe
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2014, 06:16:34 PM »

I wonder what the press release will be
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Re: BBC asks, are e-cigarettes safe
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2014, 07:14:24 PM »

They should know what's in their own ingredients....if you sell the stuff I think it's only right the seller knows what's in it...
and the end consumer should also be made aware of the ingredients. Properly labelled bottles/boxes so the "user" can make their own informed decisions as to what they buy and vape.
 A sticker of a triangle and microscopic warning that nicotine is poisonous, just isnt enough.
 As far as I can see, most veteran/seasoned vapers, are well aware as to what they're inhaling, but new starters may not be as informed.
 In an ideal world, all juices/flavours should have their ingredients listed on the packaging, therefore products without appropriate labelling can be avoided.
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Re: BBC asks, are e-cigarettes safe
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2014, 07:36:42 PM »

i agree Gruff - but even then, can they ever really be trusted ?

what we have seen today is the BBC capably expose a leading e-cig manufacturer operating contrary to the 'industry standard of excellence' for which they're allegedly vetted and subsequently certified ...

of course this will be passed off as a simple blip, an ironic incident as with the last, just one of those remote isolated accidents which never ever happens except when there's someone else capably able and willing to catch them out ...

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Re: BBC asks, are e-cigarettes safe
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2014, 08:52:25 PM »

Yep, there will always be blips and freak occurrences,  but  then , if properly labelled products dont come up to scratch, the makers of such liquids etc can be made accountable.
 Accurate ingerdient listing would therefore protect the manufacturer and the consumer in the long term.
 As it is now, any backstreet joe, can buy a bottle of nicotine, a bottle of dilutent and a some flavours, and knock it out, making some obscene profit. Worse than that, they could buy cheap juice, cut it with allsorts of nasty stuff and sell it on.
 So some sort of regulations should be enforced, regarding  product ingredients, but not as far as what the eu  and others want to impose (quantity, strength etc)
Any reputable juice /flavour manufacturer should be more than happy to comply , in the interests of safety and quality of their product.
 Also, all liquids should come with tamperproof packaging and manufacturers name, address and batch numbers, just to be on the safe side.
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Re: BBC asks, are e-cigarettes safe
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2014, 09:01:03 PM »

any backstreet joe, can buy a bottle of nicotine, a bottle of dilutent and a some flavours, and knock it out ...

but this wasn't some 'backstreet joe', this was high street hierarchy ...

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Re: BBC asks, are e-cigarettes safe
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2014, 09:17:35 PM »

...of course this will be passed off as a simple blip, an ironic incident as with the last, just one of those remote isolated accidents which never ever happens except ...
... that this one happens to have been "discovered" shortly after an independent, reputable (?), and (in the main) vaper-credible third-party, established conclusively that as much as 74 percent of commercial vendors sampled (no names released) STILL sell product containing diacetyl,etc. in their pre-mixed ejuice.

So, a combination of
a.)  a vaper-credible authority's assessment that 3 out of 4 commercial ejuice makers assessed make questionable ejuice, and
b.)  that very same industry -which has KNOWN of the concerns regarding diacetyl FOR YEARS- proclaiming its self-policing of quality to be "effective",
have just added  a hard-to-dismiss arrow into the anti-vaping lobby's quiver...

Talk about an "own-goal"... ffs... :(
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Re: BBC asks, are e-cigarettes safe
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2014, 09:21:00 PM »

So some sort of regulations should be enforced, regarding  product ingredients, but not as far as what the eu and others want to impose (quantity, strength etc)

such regulation is in force - policed by the industry standard of excellence ...

the culprits in this, as in numerous other cases, are certified conformists of the industries most stringent standards ...
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Re: BBC asks, are e-cigarettes safe
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2014, 09:30:01 PM »

Claiming it was an old batch, that had somehow, slipped through the gaps. Then blaming the staff for their own mistakes. Bit of a poor excuse if you ask me. Perhaps, if they had been given enough time, a better explanation wouldve been given. Seems they were caught on the hop. My feelings go to the new store manager/scapegoat. The owners should be taken to task.
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Re: BBC asks, are e-cigarettes safe
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2014, 10:51:53 AM »

Another interesting development today arises by way of a statement from an equal comercial rival who seemed not only to be suitably aware of the potential for just this type of incident, but also keen to ensure their compelling broadcast.

The plot might appear to be thickening ...

It would seem if today's rather alarming statement is true as alledged, then ViP have been long suspected of cutting corners. additional assertions are also offered to suggest this is an incident that might likely happen again.

unusual thing to do as a comany at the best of times, let alone while aware our BBC are circling like vultures.

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Re: BBC asks, are e-cigarettes safe
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2014, 11:03:36 AM »

Another interesting development today arises by way of a statement from an equal if rival company ...
go on. don't be shy. expose. :D
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Re: BBC asks, are e-cigarettes safe
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2014, 11:14:27 AM »

as the direct link may prompt strategic concealement, I'll instead pass you the screenshot ...
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Re: BBC asks, are e-cigarettes safe
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2014, 11:52:13 AM »

Come on itsmeged, spill.
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