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Jimblob

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housing benefit
« Reply #135 on: May 14, 2013, 06:30:04 PM »

Lol, I remember that advert. I bet people would class it as racist nowadays :P
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Re: housing benefit
« Reply #136 on: May 15, 2013, 12:35:36 PM »

Today a high court judicial review starts,  after the government failed to get it stopped.  As Jimblob pointed out it is wrong that people that need the extra bedroom due to disability should have to pay the bedroom tax.  Even members of the government seem to be a bit confused over it too, as they keep spouting that disabled people are exempt.

An interesting case of one of the 10 families that are taking it to the high court involves a family that were given a three bedroom property because it was agreed that their disabled son needed a separate bedroom.   However even though it was agreed, it seems they still have to pay the bedroom tax because he lives in the property with his carers (his family). 

Apparently,  disabled people are only exempt from the bedroom tax if their carers do not actually live with them.   I think most people would agree that this would be very unusual as in most cases when someone needs a carer the disabled person and the carer want to live under the same roof.   The truth is very very few people are exempt from the bedroom tax, and ironically the more disabled they are, and therefore the more likely it is that a carer will live with them,  the less likely they are to be exempt.
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Re: housing benefit
« Reply #137 on: May 15, 2013, 12:39:20 PM »

Its a bit of a shambles....  :(
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Re: housing benefit
« Reply #138 on: May 15, 2013, 01:26:49 PM »

Its a bit of a shambles....  :(


Why does that not surprise me  :)
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Re: housing benefit
« Reply #139 on: May 15, 2013, 02:01:17 PM »

Doubt half of them know their A*** from their elbow  :P
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Re: housing benefit
« Reply #140 on: May 15, 2013, 02:25:56 PM »

politicians don't just make this stuff up off the top of their heads....they take advise from thousands of people in the health and benefits world before a policy is formulated.  if they have made an error then so have thousands of other people that should have known better....
and I'm not defending politicians,  they are all scum the lot of them.
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Re: housing benefit
« Reply #141 on: May 15, 2013, 02:55:47 PM »

All governments here have a history of ignoring advisors.  Take the famous Prof David Nutt shambles of the last government.  What was it that ex-postman said when advised by his advisors in a public way that he was wrong?  Oh yea "advisors advise, government decides". 

The list of advisors that have told the government what they are doing is wrong is endless,  they decide though, to ignore all the advice (very often public advice from charities representing the poorest) they are given except that which they feels suits their bigger goals (representing the bankers).  Lets not kid ourtselves that any government, left or right, takes independent advice and then acts on it.  They do take advice from all corners, they just choose to ignore the bits that their party members and doners would not agree with and go instead for the policies the bankers love.

They were advised many times how this would effect disabled people,  so much so that they even decided to change the rules several times in a bid to load it with non meaningfull spin (eg. disabled are exempt when they are clearly not as seen by todays high court action).  If they were being advised so much that it was bad, why did they do it? Because they think the voters will buy it,  as long as they can convince enough of them that people who claim benefits are cheating scum.
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Re: housing benefit
« Reply #142 on: May 15, 2013, 05:47:56 PM »

If you were a rich man. And you wanted to make yourself and your rich mates richer in a recession.
What would you do?
How about getting your mates into government and forcing down the price of wages.
Enabling tax cuts, and cutting government spending on the majority of the population?
Create jobs? No increase unemployment, bring down wages and force the poor to work for less if they can find work!
How about, forcing the poor and disabled out of there homes or even trying to privatise the National Health service?
Personally I think the rich man and his government is selling a lie. This lie will sell the little that is left so far unsold
in the latest UK fire sale. Read the advice given and make up your own minds.
Either way, you cannot blame the poor for poverty. And the cannot blame the Homeless or those claiming housing benefit for the price
of Private landlord rents.

   Rich-poor divide accelerating, says OECD
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22545210

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IMF's Lipton adds pressure on UK to change economic course
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/04/20/uk-britain-imf-idUKBRE93J0H020130420

firms that dodge paying the minimum wage
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16-24s on zero hours contracts at work
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/22528914

UK unemployment rises to 2.52 million
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22536437
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Re: housing benefit
« Reply #143 on: May 16, 2013, 02:45:07 PM »

How do they SELL these lies?
Well look at this report:

Michael Gove gets his educational facts from marketing surveys for Premier Inn and UKTV Gold:
'..... few would consider either Premier Inn or UKTV Gold to be organisations on the cutting edge of educational research. Few that is except Education Secretary Michael Gove.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dumbing-down-minister-michael-gove-gets-his-educational-facts-from-marketing-surveys-for-premier-inn-and-uktv-gold-8614525.html
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Re: housing benefit
« Reply #144 on: May 16, 2013, 08:44:10 PM »

Exactly mate,  they just look for random sales crap that fits whatever it is they are trying to pedal and sell it to us gullible folk as research. 
The work and pensions lord got his arse handed to him on a plate in last nights questions.  He dropped a right clanger in the middle of it, admitting that the bedroom tax was first and foremost about saving money, and not as they have previously spun, about fairness.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/house-of-commons-22544406

They also bought up a case of a couple where the woman has spina bifida, and therefore needed a special bed, and as such her husband could not sleep in the same room.  Again, because he is her carer and he is living with her,  they are being charged £60 a month bedroom tax.

Are we really saying that this couple should not be allowed two bedrooms?  and should be charged £60 a month?
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Re: housing benefit
« Reply #145 on: July 30, 2013, 02:15:32 PM »

Just in case anyone still thinks disabled people are exempt from the bedroom tax it might be worth watching the news today. 

What a stupid government,  what a stupid stupid government.

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